"In search of" is already up on torrent sites

[matt]

So you\'re okay with stealing from people?

[coolwalking]

Well I\'m sure something like this has already been said, but
Stealing is taking something away from someone else so that they don\'t have it anymore.  So you physically cannot steal information.

I don\'t believe information should be allowed to be owned. Information should belong to all of humanity (and if we ever find aliens, them too ).

People have shared music with each other for ages, and no-one ever thought anything of it.  All I was thinking as I lent Appetite for Destruction to my mate James, 7 years ago, is that I wanted him to hear this music.  It\'s only now that the RIAA have started this crusade, that sharing ("pirating", since they\'re trying to compare it to something far worse, I\'m surprised they didn\'t call it "murder") has suddenly become immoral.

[matt]

So if you had an idea for some wonderful thing and you told it to me and I patented it... that wouldn\'t be stealing?

The fact is, you can -pardon my french- pu$$y foot around it all you want but the fact of the matter is that it is stealing.

[coolwalking]

So if you had an idea for some wonderful thing and you told it to me and I patented it... that wouldn\'t be stealing?

Well I would hate that it was patented, because patents seem to just be used to stifle innovation.  But like I said, just because I came up with that idea, doesn\'t mean I own it.  A million people could have previously had that thought, yet somehow I own it?

The fact is, you can -pardon my french- pu$$y foot around it all you want

I always thought pussyfoot just meant "tiptoe", "move stealthily" etc.  I\'m not quite sure what "vagina-foot" would mean.

but the fact of the matter is that it is stealing.

It is not stealing.  The whole problem with stealing is that you\'ve taken something away from someone else.  It\'s gone.  Disappeared.  Vanished.  Missing.  Absent.  Never to be seen again.  They cannot use it anymore.  This is clearly not the case with file sharing.

I have a feeling we are just going to go around in circles here.

[CMA]

people will always do it

people will always be for it

people will always be against it


everyone is wrong

everyone is right

if people are going to download music/films no matter what you say

in the 80/90\'s it was home taping in 00\'s its P2P

[Time Traveler]

Just wanted to say that if you didn\'t post this message that a lot less people would know. You are just spreading the word.

[supersquid]

you are stealing. You are taking away money that the artist would have made if you had bought it.

[Feranna]

Bucket deserves money for the work and time he\'s put into these releases. To download say ISOT is basically denying him his wage.  :\'(

[Dom]

It is not stealing.  The whole problem with stealing is that you\'ve taken something away from someone else.  It\'s gone.  Disappeared.  Vanished.  Missing.  Absent.  Never to be seen again.  They cannot use it anymore.  This is clearly not the case with file sharing.

I have a feeling we are just going to go around in circles here.

Wrong! Buckethead is selling his music. You take his music without paying. That\'s stealing.

This whole argument "I wouldn\'t buy it anyways" is horse shit because you end up having his music anyways and he gets nothing.

[CMA]

though around the time of buckethead being in gnr and the rock in rio 3 bootlegs hit the p2p networks it most possiblly doubled his fan base


dont bite the hand that feeds

[deli]

Hope this thing is down now...anyone heard?

[matt]

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1042153/4262178/

Theres one... People have no shame.

[coolwalking]

People have no shame?  Of course they don\'t. That\'s like saying "Oh my god, that guy isn\'t ashamed of liking buckethead".  Do you seriously not get the idea that people have differing philosophies?

[matt]

I\'m pretty sure you totally misunderstood what I said.

[bhead51]

Thought this recent article was interesting:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/27/kristiansand/

And this (a little bit older):

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/21/riaa_reg_interview/

For those who haven\'t seen it yet, ya\'ll should all see the documentary:

Good Copy, Bad Copy
http://onebigtorrent.org/details.php?id=1818&hit=1

www.goodcopybadcopy.net

Seeded for free download on the Internet by the creators of the film themselves...
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And for those who care or have the attention span - on intellectual property and computers, compare and contrast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html