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Started by dewclaw, May 09, 2012, 01:37:27 am

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mrpancakes

Sorry to say, but it looks like fake. I bought one and got a refund. The art is a lot darker than the original one, and apparently the matrix under the CD is different. Apparently, 'cause I kept it sealed, but we didn't get a confirmation on that.

MuldeR

Quote from: mrpancakes on June 23, 2012, 01:28:31 pm
Sorry to say, but it looks like fake. I bought one and got a refund.


Thanks for the info. I suspected that. May I ask: You also bought from the reseller called "rare_music_corner" ? ???

Quote from: mrpancakes on June 23, 2012, 01:28:31 pmThe art is a lot darker than the original one, and apparently the matrix under the CD is different. Apparently, 'cause I kept it sealed, but we didn't get a confirmation on that.


I don't have the CD yet. We'll see if it ever arrives. International shipping to my location usually takes several weeks.

Also I won't be able to verify the disc, because I don't have a "genuine" one to compare.

But after all a decent "reproduction" would be better than nothing. With "decent" I mean it's a silver (pressed) disc and doesn't have any obvious defects.

Of course I wouldn't hesitate to buy another "approved" copy directly from TDRS, in case it ever becomes available again...
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mrpancakes

I bought my copy on Amazon.com, from a seller called best-music-service, it came from the UK. I believe it's the same seller, just a different name for .com and .uk. When I got mine, I kept it sealed, compared it with one bought from eBay a long time ago (which is officialy from here, TDRS), art is A LOT darker. I contacted the seller, shipped it back and got money the next day. I don't believe it's the seller's fault. He has good feedback and all...

But when you get your copy, and if you open it, you could compare the matrix/numbers under the CD on Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/Buckethead-Peppers-Ghost/release/925939 and see if it's a pressed CD or CD-R. Or just contact Travis lol.

Hope it helps ;)

Bucketbotjr

That is really sad to hear...i just ordered two copies from the same seller, i knew it was too good to be true :( . So when you contacted the seller, what did you say exactily to get the refund back?

mrpancakes

I said I had reasons to believe it was fake. Simple as that, the guy was real nice about it. I know I'm not the only one who asked for a refund.

mrpancakes

UPDATE: People claim it's legit.

Though, I still have my doubts.

MuldeR

Quote from: mrpancakes on June 26, 2012, 09:54:30 pm
UPDATE: People claim it's legit.


You have some more details? What is the source of that information?
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mrpancakes

Buckethead.TK

A bot posted pics of the album he received. Art is darker, same matrix under the CD, though it has a ring on top of it, on the print. That's what bugs me. But other bots claimed it's legit.

I guess only Travis could answer this question.

Travis

This CD was pressed twice. Both by the same broker for us but not nessasary the same pressing plant. So you could see two different looks to the printing and two different matrix numbers. We sold one pressing here at TDRS and the other was given to a national distributor that promptly went bankrupt and took all the stock with them. Though I did manage to get some of it back I'm sure some of it was brokered off by the bankruptcy court and could well have ended up at various resellers. The reseller your talking about here probably is not pirating, they are too big and well established. It's possible they unknowingly bought counterfeits but it's just as likely they came across some of this left over bankruptcy stock. I don't have any copies here but we sold the first pressing here so most that bought them here have those. We also sold some of the returns from the distributor I got back before the rest were impounded by the bankruptcy court. So you sould be able to compair the matrix numbers on the ring of the CD. If you see more than two different numbers we have a counterfeiter. If there are only two it probably the two different pressings we did.

mrpancakes

Thanks for the information, Travis!

My copy has this barcode: PEPPER'S GHOST F1 CD 0220-0466 LMW/CA #2

Let's take for example RobotPie's copy, I know he has this one: 347 PEPPERS 022007 IFPI LT05

I've seen his pics, and none of us has the ring cut on the printing of the disc...

Anyway, if it's legit, I'm glad for those who bought one :)

Travis

Well, like I said I don't have any copies so I can't tell you the numbers on the discs  we sold here but there should be two different numbers. If we see three we have a problem.

dewclaw

I bought mine from TDRS days after it was released. My findings ... printed on the underside of the CD is "347 PEPPERS 022007" and under the 347 in super micro print is "IFPI LT05". Barcode # on the back of the CD Case: 8 06838 14142 3. Additional findings ... THIS CD STILL KICKS MAJOR ASS.

mrpancakes

Quote from: dewclaw on June 27, 2012, 11:32:00 pm
Additional findings ... THIS CD STILL KICKS MAJOR ASS.


Hahaha true! One of my favorites!!!

JTSwagger

Quote from: MuldeR on June 23, 2012, 12:39:49 am
Just noticed that new(!) copies of Pepper's Ghost are available from Amazon for 20€.

Couldn't hold back and ordered one right away. Though I wonder whether this is a true or just some fake...

Amazon has 2 new for 130 a piece canadian, which seems like a good deal compared to some of the other numbers being thrown around in this thread

MuldeR

July 02, 2012, 11:47:11 am #29 Last Edit: July 03, 2012, 09:29:53 pm by MuldeR
Got my disc, the one that I ordered from Amazon recently, today.

The bad news: The case is damaged. The good news: The disc itself and the booklet look fine.

The code on the "data" side of the disc is 347 PEPPER 022007 and there also is a tiny IFPI LT05 code below.

Seems to match the info dewclaw posted. It's also one of the two codes discogs.com is showing :)
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