MOSS! When are you going to tour and come throw some of you\'re acid on Vegas? I wish I could make your gigs, unfortunately I will not be in London anytime soon :\'( however, I will be there in spirit. Maybe some video up on the huzzi?? Just a thought. As always I love what you\'ve got, good luck with your gigs.
Wow Chris Moss this is great. I am sorry I missed it! Have been away for a bit. I went to the site to see if there were past shows you could listen in on and got lost. Do you know if it is still up somewhere there? If not which song was played and do you maybe have it up on the Huzzi?
Hello Svale and welcome to the discussion. I was finally able to find the way to your song, since there was not a link, all I have to say is I REALLY liked it! I would have no objections to hearing more. Thank you for sharing it with us. I have to admit that I am a little envious. Not just of your song and abilities as a song writer but also of those from our fellow forum friends here like Chris Moss and Chris Dicicco (hope I spelled that right Chris) and Hex to name a few. You all have hands on instrument talent that I find to be amazing.
Ok steering back to this "singers" thread, I just wanted to point out that in the previous discussion regarding hearing ones own voice and disliking it, there was no mention of or has anything to do with the equipment being used. I mean I do believe that it will be very difficult to find anyone on this forum who will argue the point of sound on good quality equipment, but whether the equipment is good or bad hearing your own voice can be frustrating when you are not hearing vocally on the out what you thought you were putting in.
Oldfolkie: Shamelessly bumping your own thread, you are so funny. An answer to your question, the only instruction tape that I have, came from my old choir teacher. I was having difficulties recovering from strep throat one year so I asked him if he could help get me back on track. He recorded for me about 30 minutes of warm ups on the piano, consisting of scales and notes in different keys and arrangements, it is really great and it helped me immensely. I often use it today. I am anxious to hear how well The Vocal Coach CD's work for you, so please keep us posted.
Reviewing your list of influences and interests in music, sorry so late but going back to our previous discussion, I found myself looking in a mirror, so to speak, since I too enjoy much of what you have listed. You have also peaked my interest in several others that I have never even heard of so I thank you for that. I have a few other things Id like to ask but to keep this short, tried and failed, I will PM you later because we have to talk about shape note, I am extremely interested because I love it too!
A couple shots of Tequila work too... you know when a singer gets nervous, every good engineer has a bottle near by. Kidding, but it did actually help me once.
I have heard many arguments on the covering of the one ear suggestion. It can help you adjust your pitch but for some it henders their ability to maintain the right pitch and also lose sight of the right key in which they may be singing in, or trying to sing in. Isolating the sound is better done by facing an enclosed wall like a doorway or something tight like that for the voice to bounce off of and back to you, hence recording booths. Bathrooms or showers for example have great acoustics for sound, not just because of the echo effect but because of the tight enclosure. I always tell people if they go the cover the ear route to try singing at the wall also just to make sure that you are hearing the same sound.
Sorry Oldfolkie, recovering from a flood this last weekend in my Condo. Short story, share a common kitchen wall and the neighbors pipe burst, so I am slowly getting things back together.
Wanted to Talk a little about your folk influences. I am guessing that you sing folk (duh ) and am curious to your style and the voices that have inspired you. To get things rolling I will start with mine. Of course, touching on it earlier Karen Carpenter is my biggest influence but not really considered folk. In the folk genre, and even though her popularity has only recently surfaced my biggest vocal inspiration is Eva Cassidy. If your not familiar with her I will go into detail a bit later or you can search her on the web. Her voice transends any catagory as she also sings blues as well, but her arrangements of classic folk songs really are amazing. Not only vocally but man could she play guitar. (my inspiration to learn) Unfortunately she passed away in 1996 at age 33 before anyone really knew about her. Her voice will capture you. All of the recordings that are out there, 7 albums total, were all generally recorded live, one take. You would think they were big studio recorded. Amazing. Reaching back in time though I have to say I love Sandy Denny. My love for folk generates from the simplcity in the vocal stylings and in that they vary so differently with each performer. I find it interesting that alot of repeated renditions (or covers) of various songs that you hear nowadays, first came out originally as a folk song. Any thoughts??
Your friend is on the right path and one I would encourage you to follow. You should definitely get involved in a class. Not only for the benefit of your singing but overall health. When you get into any type of simply controlled physical movement such as Pilates, Yoga or Ti Chi you are on your way to a better existence period.
(This is where when you talk about this kind of thing you have to insert here "I am not a professional, these are my opinions only and you should always consult a doctor before beginning any exercise" you know to CYOA.)
Now, it takes a little bit to really get it down, but like singing, start from the beginning and it only gets better from there. Maintaining proper alignment and posture is the most effective way to know that you are breathing correctly. I will bet that you will see an immense improvement in your capabilities to breath and sing within no time at all. And just in general you will feel 100% better overall even if you have no ailments whatsoever. You will find also since you are not an "exercise buff" that you won't consider Pilates an "exercise" in that sense of the word. It is physical movement yes, and the heart rate can elevate, but when you become one with your center and move, it's a whole other story.
I say go for it and keep us posted on your progress!
Hey fawnky, I am with you on the disliking of the sound of ones own voice. I am very critical of the way I sound also, but mostly when recording. It can be very frustrating. To me when I sing just on my own, with or without a mic and in an open room I think it sounds beautiful and couldn't be more pleased. But put me under the microscope, which is what I refer to as headphones and microphones for recording, and I think it is horrible. It just never sounds the same to me. That is not saying that I am difficult to record with, it's just it takes me a little while to get use to it when starting because it seems to be a totally different sound. It is of course just me, being the perfectionist that I am when it comes to recording, because everyone else hears that I sound the same either way. The best thing that I have found is to stop the "self scorning" as you say and do just that, "open up and let loose" and in general it turns out pretty amazing.
Breathing correctly is of course the most important part, and once you can figure how to control it, it becomes second nature when you open up and sing, just as it does while living. You don't think about it anymore you just do it. It took a long time for me to learn and incorporate it and still sometimes today on certain songs to control it. So you are always learning it. The fact that you know about the diaphragm and know the principal in using it, says to me you are on the right track. Using your "chest voice" can produce great sounds depending on what you are going for, but when going that route you begin to fatigue the vocal chords more quickly and not to mention run out of air. I love my chest voice, it completely allows me a great way to produce a beautiful bass sound and I have learned to control it over time, but after a period of time using it, it becomes more difficult to maintain due to fatigue. Incorporating how to use your diaphragm with the chest voice takes a lot of practice, but it can be accomplished, but I still prefer in some instances the good ole chest voice. Now of course that doesn't work when using falsetto and/or hitting the highs but you get the idea. I don\'t believe anyone ever truly has mastered the art of singing. Even those in history who have been considered the world's greatest singers would probably argue and say that personally they never believed they were the best and could have always learned more. Singing is working a muscle, the more you work it the stronger it gets and can be improved upon. So Spencer, and fawnky, or anyone else for that matter, keep trying, I am sure it is in there somewhere; it's not the same as before, only now you have the potential to make it better.
Oldfolkie: hope you made it back from your trip alright. Can\'t wait to talk folk with ya!
I would think you were trying to coax me out of the shadows, where I have been of late. Hee Hee
Congratulations on taking the step and singing first of all. Not many come out of the shower. Not mentioning any names cough, GKG, cough. haahaaa
I have been singing before I could speak. It is a gene I would proudly wear on my lapel if I were able. This being handed down from my grandpa, who on countless get togethers and no occasions at all, would set up his reel to reel and play the guitars and sing. I think there is a reel somewhere of my first recording of "you are my sunshine"........ memory lane... sorry off track... I have not had vocal instruction other then that of 4 years in high school choir (15 yrs ago) and practicing every Carpenters song I could lay my hands on since they emerged and still do so today. Although I had the best choral instructor on the planet those four years, I never wanted to have one on one "professional" vocal coaching. In that time most instructors were only teaching opera vocal styles and for me, you know I was going to be the next Debbie Gibson and all, that wasn\'t an option. What really distracted me from it was that I had a best girlfriend who had the most amazing voice. She began vocal lessons with one of the top vocal instructors at UNLV at the time, but after a few months I couldn\'t stand listening to her sing, but not only that, when she tried to sing anything other then Opera, it was not very good. Her freestyle was gone. I am extremely found of the opera, believe me, but this ruined her voice. Now you would think that I am against instruction, at that time, following that example, yeah. But a few years following, it was no longer the case. I was shown an example, well two actually of the other side of it. One being Sebastian Bach. No not the composer, the singer from Skid Row. His voice is amazing. He hit all those high notes and carried them like it was nothing and that was because he did it correctly via classical vocal training but kept it rock-n-roll style. (Did anyone see him in Jesus Christ Superstar? He completely blew everyone away.) The Other, Jeff Tate, Queensryche. To this day remains someone I admire deeply for his classically trained rock-n-roll voice. So it's all in how you learn it, practice it and incorporate it in your own style. And that is what its all about. I practice singing everyday. In some form or another. Whether it's serious to continue my growth vocally or jokingly, which I do daily at work to torture my co-workers. The fundamentals, doing it correctly are what is important. Whether you have a coach or are learning on your own or came out of the womb singing, there is always something to learn every time you open up and breath.
Renee Fleming is not currently spinning on my CD player, but I sincerely admire her abilities and think that her book would be something I would enjoy and learn from. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. My nose is currently in three books right now so it will have to wait but I would be very interested to hear more about your opinion of it as you make your way through it.
I have said it before and I will keep on saying it, Chris Moss, you are amazing!
Some help here though, having a wee bit of trouble picking a favorite....... ok maybe lansdowne road, ahh nope it has to be Tapps-Gervis, urg! cant choose, cant choose! I like it all! and it\'s all your fault Chris Moss, you, you are to blame for my newest addiction for electronica. It has pushed me so far as to stay up late on Saturday nights to listen to a public radio show I discovered a few months back on the net that plays nothing but electronica, it reminds me of you everytime! Hey you should send the DJ some of your stuff! Check it out: http://www.cyberage.cx/
As always please keep it coming, I REALLY like it.
I have question: How long does it generally take you to put together just one of these songs?
Did anyone see the movie Summer School? Do you remember Bob? The dogs toy doll head that got washed out to sea and the dog was miserable, just sat at the sea side waiting for Bob to come back. Mark Harmons character even went so far as to cut the head of another doll just to try and ease his dogs loneliness, but it didn\'t work, it wasn\'t Bob. Well low and behold Bob washed back up to shore in the end and the dog was very happy. Just makes me wonder if there is a dog somewhere waiting for Bob to come back when I look at this painting. Nice work Gammy! I love it!
NICE!! I really like it Hex. I too am interested to hear it mic\'d, just the differences ya know. So please keep it coming. And hey, when you get the mic\'d version up can you keep this one up as well so that we can hear the difference? Thanks for shareing.
Hey Hex, Nice to see ya here. Thanks for joining in and shareing your work. I had a chance to look at your site, which is nicely put together I must say, and I was able to listen to a few of the rifs. Some really Good stuff, I like it. Nice line up of equipment, you are using it well. Your Bio said you played piano and trumpet. It would be nice to hear some of that thrown in with the metal rifs. Some might not agree but I love the trumpet. And to mix it with some heavy guitar might be interesting. Keep playing, Ill keep checkin in.