Can\'t believe people do this... I just googled \'buckethead Rochester ny\' to see if he ever played in my town and this came up on the bottom of the page. I think it\'s really unfair and stealing from artists should be a fineable offense. Yes, I removed the link.
Thats just horrible how hes sharing those albums, and Buckethead wont get any money if people get those albums on that site. And then those atheist retards have to put down God, i hate that!! The people on the website just did the worst possible things you could do and they get away with it. Really makes me want to get the cattleprod.
^^^ I\'ll bring my "do it yourself taxidermy kit" as seen on TV. ;) it\'s on...
^^^i think ive got an extra sledge and a slaughterhouse in my backyard. We\'ll teach them!!!
Ech. ebaumsworld is just a cesspool of stolen material, and apparently music is not exempt. Disgusting.
calling all bucketbots, slunks, chickens, robots, animatronics and the like, we are going to prepare to attack the weaklings selfish enough to share Buckethead\'s songs without gaining him any profit!!!!
Send \'em thru the Slaughter Zone.
:-X not sure how to word this without getting flamed but here it goes...
I really don\'t see why some people get so upset by this. In my opinion these people who upload the music are doing it for bragging rites and the peple who download the torrented BH albums would not be buying them anyway, they just like to say "I have 100,000 artists on my ipod, how many do you have?" Most would never buy his albums so BH really doesn\'t lose any money, but he is gaining exposure. Also it may work in reverse - a few may say "whoa, I want the physical album" in which case BH actually will make money off them.
To fight it, Buck and Travis would have to expend lots of time energy and money - and there is no guarantee that would help prevent this from continuing to happen. And what a drain, it would absolutely take away from the music making process. What we can do as fans is communicate in a civil fashion that what they are doing is disrespectful to the artist and if they are going to continue uploading albums they should also make available donation information to help compensate the artist for his work, education goes a long way.
Then you get the people who buy the current cds, burn them and resell them. Not to mention all the counterfeit t-shirts, photos, mouse pads, watches, banners and the like. Those may actually be taking more dollars away from Buck and Travis than anything else.
But this is coming from a music fan, not someone in the music industry, Travis has talked about this issue in the past and to my recollection he said there is no viable solution at the present time to combat it.
Quote:-X not sure how to word this without getting flamed but here it goes...
I really don\'t see why some people get so upset by this. In my opinion these people who upload the music are doing it for bragging rites and the peple who download the torrented BH albums would not be buying them anyway, they just like to say "I have 100,000 artists on my ipod, how many do you have?" Most would never buy his albums so BH really doesn\'t lose any money, but he is gaining exposure. Also it may work in reverse - a few may say "whoa, I want the physical album" in which case BH actually will make money off them.
To fight it, Buck and Travis would have to expend lots of time energy and money - and there is no guarantee that would help prevent this from continuing to happen. And what a drain, it would absolutely take away from the music making process. What we can do as fans is communicate in a civil fashion that what they are doing is disrespectful to the artist and if they are going to continue uploading albums they should also make available donation information to help compensate the artist for his work, education goes a long way.
Then you get the people who buy the current cds, burn them and resell them. Not to mention all the counterfeit t-shirts, photos, mouse pads, watches, banners and the like. Those may actually be taking more dollars away from Buck and Travis than anything else.
But this is coming from a music fan, not someone in the music industry, Travis has talked about this issue in the past and to my recollection he said there is no viable solution at the present time to combat it.
Happens to me man and its how i got hooked on every artist i currently hear/have.
As a rule i only buy albums, as long as i hear a "preview" ;) (full or clips) first and like them. The exception to the rule is that an LE comes along.
And i buy them for 3 reasons:
1- Holy crap this sounds awesome.
2- I want to support the artist for this music.
3- I want to see the artwork that comes with it.
and ive been banned before for saying it, and im sorry if this gets me more hate but thats how i roll.
In any case, as long more people hear Buckethead, there is a higher chance that he will become a hardcore fan. If not maybe he will go to a concert or something.
;D ;D ;D
Quote:-X not sure how to word this without getting flamed but here it goes...
I really don\'t see why some people get so upset by this. In my opinion these people who upload the music are doing it for bragging rites and the peple who download the torrented BH albums would not be buying them anyway, they just like to say "I have 100,000 artists on my ipod, how many do you have?" Most would never buy his albums so BH really doesn\'t lose any money, but he is gaining exposure. Also it may work in reverse - a few may say "whoa, I want the physical album" in which case BH actually will make money off them.
To fight it, Buck and Travis would have to expend lots of time energy and money - and there is no guarantee that would help prevent this from continuing to happen. And what a drain, it would absolutely take away from the music making process. What we can do as fans is communicate in a civil fashion that what they are doing is disrespectful to the artist and if they are going to continue uploading albums they should also make available donation information to help compensate the artist for his work, education goes a long way.
Then you get the people who buy the current cds, burn them and resell them. Not to mention all the counterfeit t-shirts, photos, mouse pads, watches, banners and the like. Those may actually be taking more dollars away from Buck and Travis than anything else.
But this is coming from a music fan, not someone in the music industry, Travis has talked about this issue in the past and to my recollection he said there is no viable solution at the present time to combat it.
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I agree with you completely.. We cant do much about it, so why do we complain. Like he said, Travis has addressed this and hes pretty much said that we cant control it. And I agree.. If anything, instead of saying something on here. Then you should have posted something on the forums that the torrents are being shared at, and well suggest what travis suggested, and thats to donate a small amount if anything at all, it\'s better than not having the artist not earn anything. And well 4 dollars min. Is what is asked.. so tell this to those guys, show them the donate page, and hopefully they think about atleast donating that small.amount, in exchange for the sharing of the music. I\'m not promoting it in anyway,im just saying what travis has pretty much proposed.
QuoteAnd then those atheist retards have to put down God, i hate that!!
Did you just say that atheists are retards?
I don\'t really understand why you would post the actual link... I mean, you just posted a link to obtaining multiple Buckethead albums for free. That\'s got to be against these forum rules. :P
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Did you just say that atheists are retards?
I didnt mean all atheists were retards, i just hate wen they put down God like that. I was raised religious, it offends me wen they do it. Sorry if wat i said got you mad..
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I didnt mean all atheists were retards, i just hate wen they put down God like that. I was raised religious, it offends me wen they do it. Sorry if wat i said got you mad..
I was also raised religious and i hate when people think atheists are retards. I am now one of them, and i know i dont know much but i dont think im retard, and all of the people ive met are not retards as well. Maybe there is a problem with the validity of your asumption.
"I can stand the idea of God, Its his fan club that i hate" :P
I got more into Buckethead when I downloaded more from him, after i got almost all, I began to buy cd\'s :D
I think this has 2 sides a good and bad one...
As a 40 year old fan of Buckey, I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies. I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material. All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more. However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record? The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there! The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me. Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans. Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD. I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!
Not going to lie, I used to download lots of music. I\'d have thousands of songs on my iPod, plenty of artists... Not a single thing had been payed for. And while that\'s awful and wrong and thievery, it gets people to do stuff like go to concerts. Now, when I discovered Buckethead was when I decided I was going to start paying for all of my music, and had realized the error of my previous ways. Now I save up money to buy new albums and everything, but my iPod is barren. That irks a lot of people, and as mentioned before, it\'s probably not going to stop any time soon. Many times, there\'s no way to trace the originator of a torrent. Even if they\'ve got an account on a website, they probably use dozens of proxies just so they won\'t get caught. Then you\'d have to contact each of the people who continue to seed the torrent, etc, etc.
Many of the people who claim to be true fans and haven\'t bought a single damn album try to back it up with things like "They don\'t even make that much money from a CD, anyways! It\'s all from merchandise and concerts!". It\'s not going to stop, unfortunately. The only thing we can positively do is continue to purchase albums and merchandise, and not download things. :s
Just doing to add a little bit here: The reason a lot of people are driven to downloading is the cost of albums. Actual CDs, when you\'re a student or have little income and you\'re trying to split money between lots of things, cost a considerable amount of money. People see downloading as a heaven-sent way to enjoy music. You can get itunes-quality downloads, but for free. That include album artwork, song titles, name of the artist, genre, basically everything. When you\'re broke, and you love music it seems like a pretty good thing, and most people don\'t realize that they\'re depriving musicians of the money they deserve. I know I didn\'t. Then I got Spinal Clock (first Buckethead CD I got, signed. #360), I did some reading on what downloading does and haven\'t downloaded a single thing since. I do suffer pangs of sadness when I turn on my iPod and only have 26 songs on there, but I feel morally OK since I paid for those. Most people do not give a damn about morals.
QuoteAs a 40 year old fan of Buckey, I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies. I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material. All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more. However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record? The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there! The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me. Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans. Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD. I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!
word............ i am 42 and also old school,
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I was also raised religious and i hate when people think atheists are retards. I am now one of them, and i know i dont know much but i dont think im retard, and all of the people ive met are not retards as well. Maybe there is a problem with the validity of your asumption.
"I can stand the idea of God, Its his fan club that i hate" :P
I dont atheists are retards..i just got mad when i saw what those people put on the link. I didnt mean to call you guys retards for bein atheist..if thats what you believe, im fine with it..it just makes me mad when they put down God
QuoteAs a 40 year old fan of Buckey, I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies. I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material. All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more. However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record? The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there! The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me. Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans. Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD. I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!
I agree with everything you said, except for the 40 year old part. I\'m 18 ;D
QuoteNot going to lie, I used to download lots of music. I\'d have thousands of songs on my iPod, plenty of artists... Not a single thing had been payed for. And while that\'s awful and wrong and thievery, it gets people to do stuff like go to concerts. Now, when I discovered Buckethead was when I decided I was going to start paying for all of my music, and had realized the error of my previous ways. Now I save up money to buy new albums and everything, but my iPod is barren. That irks a lot of people, and as mentioned before, it\'s probably not going to stop any time soon. Many times, there\'s no way to trace the originator of a torrent. Even if they\'ve got an account on a website, they probably use dozens of proxies just so they won\'t get caught. Then you\'d have to contact each of the people who continue to seed the torrent, etc, etc.
Many of the people who claim to be true fans and haven\'t bought a single damn album try to back it up with things like "They don\'t even make that much money from a CD, anyways! It\'s all from merchandise and concerts!". It\'s not going to stop, unfortunately. The only thing we can positively do is continue to purchase albums and merchandise, and not download things. :s
Just doing to add a little bit here: The reason a lot of people are driven to downloading is the cost of albums. Actual CDs, when you\'re a student or have little income and you\'re trying to split money between lots of things, cost a considerable amount of money. People see downloading as a heaven-sent way to enjoy music. You can get itunes-quality downloads, but for free. That include album artwork, song titles, name of the artist, genre, basically everything. When you\'re broke, and you love music it seems like a pretty good thing, and most people don\'t realize that they\'re depriving musicians of the money they deserve. I know I didn\'t. Then I got Spinal Clock (first Buckethead CD I got, signed. #360), I did some reading on what downloading does and haven\'t downloaded a single thing since. I do suffer pangs of sadness when I turn on my iPod and only have 26 songs on there, but I feel morally OK since I paid for those. Most people do not give a damn about morals.
I think you\'re not alone in this world of random downloading..but it\'s great that you understand the underlying affects. Most artists are minions of a record company which exploit artists..chewing them up and spitting them out afer they have felched all of their creativity. That\'s what\'s so profound about an artist like Big B and TDRS in that they are essentially the artists and record company! Brilliant in my opinion! And all of their hard work and talent is shared directly with the fans reasonably priced!
QuoteAs a 40 year old fan of Buckey, I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies. I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material. All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more. However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record? The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there! The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me. Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans. Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD. I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!
nice im not even 20 and i prefer to buy the physical CD\'s even though they cost more. I just feel better being able to hold it, and if you have a collection it feels that whenever you buy a CD, your collection grows and grows. but i do import songs into i tunes so i have both music on computer and in the disc.
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I dont atheists are retards..i just got mad when i saw what those people put on the link. I didnt mean to call you guys retards for bein atheist..if thats what you believe, im fine with it..it just makes me mad when they put down God
Lol, i know what you mean but like you, they can and will voice their unfounded opinion as well. XD
Sometimes i wish that the myth of god was over by now ;D ;D
^^^^ do as you say... Keep your thoughts to yourself. I am certainly gonna be quiet in this instance, even though I find the end of your post offensive... There is no point of debating. It just brings unnessacary aggravation. If there is one thing all religons should live by it\'s, "live and let die". Imposing is not cool for anyone to do.
Quote:-X not sure how to word this without getting flamed but here it goes...
I really don\'t see why some people get so upset by this. In my opinion these people who upload the music are doing it for bragging rites and the peple who download the torrented BH albums would not be buying them anyway, they just like to say "I have 100,000 artists on my ipod, how many do you have?" Most would never buy his albums so BH really doesn\'t lose any money, but he is gaining exposure. Also it may work in reverse - a few may say "whoa, I want the physical album" in which case BH actually will make money off them.
To fight it, Buck and Travis would have to expend lots of time energy and money - and there is no guarantee that would help prevent this from continuing to happen. And what a drain, it would absolutely take away from the music making process. What we can do as fans is communicate in a civil fashion that what they are doing is disrespectful to the artist and if they are going to continue uploading albums they should also make available donation information to help compensate the artist for his work, education goes a long way.
Then you get the people who buy the current cds, burn them and resell them. Not to mention all the counterfeit t-shirts, photos, mouse pads, watches, banners and the like. Those may actually be taking more dollars away from Buck and Travis than anything else.
But this is coming from a music fan, not someone in the music industry, Travis has talked about this issue in the past and to my recollection he said there is no viable solution at the present time to combat it.
I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them. No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either. Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).
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I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them. No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either. Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).
that\'s a good point. However, we all know deep inside that downloading is still stealing. If you actually pay for the material in one way shape or form it\'s more justifiable. Unless all the downloading sites are shut down, all the assholes "sharing" stop the crap or an encryption code is implemented into the CDs we will never see the end of this crap.
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I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them. No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either. Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).
If you think about it, most eBay transactions are justifiable (unless someone is making unauthorized copies by burning the CD(s) and selling them as "original"). The person who is selling the item, like anyone else would, initially has to buy it from a seller or supplier. So the profit share goes to the artist as such...and the artist does not lose anything.
However, what some people try to do is to "re-sell" which is OK too. There is no harm done in that (they might have not liked the purchase, or they have a profit-making motive, etc etc). In that sense, the artist still does not get robbed of any profit.
If you think that its the over-priced sale price that is unfair... well, that is not a crime either. That person is probably just trying to profit (business-oriented mind) and like I said, the artist doesn\'t get robbed...its the buyer who might :P If they trust an original source they might find it cheaper and faster too....but different people have different reasons. Keep in mind that most of these eBay sellers are probably private sellers too, so they don\'t usually have bulk quantities and might not have the proper facility to package (S&H), and the price they\'re placing on that single item is, I\'d say almost equivalent, if not less than the profit that a bulk supplier/seller might get if they sold by piece.
Some buyers might also, not trust the idea of buying directly from an original source...they might think it will cost more, or for security reasons, you never know. I\'m not a business major or anything, but it does not need careful reasoning to know that markets can be a crazy place :D
Just to probably clarify that issue for you :)
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I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them. No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either. Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).
Well, obviously because the artist received money for it at one point in time. If it\'s a "used" CD, common sense dictates that it was purchased "new" somewhere along the line. The artist received their cut then, as opposed to never when you illegally download.
There is zero comparison between buying a used CD and illegally downloading music.
^^^ this +10000000000
This shit just warms my heart knowing my fellow bots loyalty to buckethead and Travis. I hope they know we give a shit, play are part in not condoning this thievery and strive to make sure they get taken care of for their efforts. They deserve it, as we deserve to be taken care of for our own hard work.
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Well, obviously because the artist received money for it at one point in time. If it\'s a "used" CD, common sense dictates that it was purchased "new" somewhere along the line. The artist received their cut then, as opposed to never when you illegally download.
There is zero comparison between buying a used CD and illegally downloading music.
Didn\'t someone originally buy the cd to make it available to download? I can\'t imagine EVERY single download option came from a singular source.
buckethead gets hypothetical money from sharing albums because that is how his fan base grows.. havent u ever heard that sharing is caring?
people mainly only share shitty mp3s.. then if they like it enough they will either buy the hq version or a shirt or go to a show
plus 50% of his stuff is OOP and only used. so he would only get hypothetical money from that too
^^^ I own a business, come to New York, work for me and I\'ll hypothetically pay you. I think it would be almost better than hiring illegal aliens.
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Didn\'t someone originally buy the cd to make it available to download? I can\'t imagine EVERY single download option came from a singular source.
So are you suggesting that a CD being passed on to a few different owners over the years is comparable to the money losses encountered by torrenting albums? This, I highly doubt.
QuoteThis shit just warms my heart knowing my fellow bots loyalty to buckethead and Travis. I hope they know we give a shit, play are part in not condoning this thievery and strive to make sure they get taken care of for their efforts. They deserve it, as we deserve to be taken care of for our own hard work.
If i hadnt ilegally downloaded Jordan and then heard plenty more on Youtube, and then downloading all of them. I wouldnt be here in the first place and my CD collection wouldnt be growing at the rate is going now.
;D ;D
Sadly ilegal downloading is part of the same coin and i usually like to see both sides. If it wasnt for Buckethead\'s music, i would have never suggested to myself the remote idea of actually buying the albums mostly because when i was young my thought was that people only download popular music so in that case why bother buying the album, there are a lot of people who will. But in the case of more unknown acts there is a value there. I feel like were not just another 15 bucks to the account of some artist but that were actually doing something great for someone who has dedicated their lives to music and its music i love to hear.
But again that is all just thanks to ilegal downloading, it just gives artists a fair chance of competing for attention. They do not depend on MTV anymore or a record label that do not care about the artist just the money they bring.
Ive been give plenty of joy thanks to Buckethead music so in return i must repay the favour by buying the album. Its just the law of Equivalent Exchange.But again, none of this rambling or beign here would have happened if i didnt randomly found a tall guy playing with a bucket on his head. :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If i hadnt ilegally downloaded Jordan and then heard plenty more on Youtube, and then downloading all of them. I wouldnt be here in the first place and my CD collection wouldnt be growing at the rate is going now.
Isn´t Jordan available for download legally?
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Isn´t Jordan available for download legally?
yes it was released as an $0.99 mp3 download on Amazon on Aug 18 2009. But I would love to see Jordan on an album though.
The only reason it occurred to me to even buy music was because of Buckethead. I didn\'t download anything (didn\'t have a computer to do that on) but I did watch countless videos from Youtube on my phone. His music was something special and I absolutely love the character that is Buckethead. I think he\'s a really great guy, and he\'s my favorite musician. He\'s inspired me to start playing guitar (In fact, my friend\'s giving me his old Fender Tuesday). Then I saw all the stuff he does for his fans, such as signing large batches of CDs, releasing lots of Limited Edition stuff. I respect him.
It\'s very, very easy to find a Buckethead discography. Much easier than buying albums, especially with someone who releases so many that it\'s almost impossible for someone like myself to keep up. But because I respect him, I\'m not going to go and download his stuff.
QuoteThe only reason it occurred to me to even buy music was because of Buckethead. I didn\'t download anything (didn\'t have a computer to do that on) but I did watch countless videos from Youtube on my phone. His music was something special and I absolutely love the character that is Buckethead. I think he\'s a really great guy, and he\'s my favorite musician. He\'s inspired me to start playing guitar (In fact, my friend\'s giving me his old Fender Tuesday). Then I saw all the stuff he does for his fans, such as signing large batches of CDs, releasing lots of Limited Edition stuff. I respect him.
It\'s very, very easy to find a Buckethead discography. Much easier than buying albums, especially with someone who releases so many that it\'s almost impossible for someone like myself to keep up. But because I respect him, I\'m not going to go and download his stuff.
I agree with that. That\'s also the same mentality that brought me to support other artists as well, and by buying their music and not downloading.
Downloading/sharing whatever you want to call it, does have its goods and does have its bads like anything else (It probably weighs more on the bad aspect). However, like some people already mentioned, it does give the artist some attention in a largely populated mainstream music industry.
I\'m not going to lie...I came across Buckethead by accident while searching for instrumental guitar songs (I wasn\'t even a huge guitar fan back then). The first song I came across was \'Electric Tears\'. After listening to this song and a few others, I built up a lot of respect and admiration for the guy who was playing (like others, he even inspired me to take up my guitar again). After reading and looking Buckethead up to find how I can gain more access to his music (someone who has never heard of him before, let alone, barely anyone within a 100 km radius from my home knew who he was), I came across tdrsmusic. That\'s how I found out about him and now, he has earned someone who loves and supports his music. That also, taught me something else. My actions translated similarly to how I now perceive and support other artists. Thus, you can definitely say that sharing music definitely has a plus side to it (it introduced me to Bucket and taught me a life lesson about the true value of things), but like a lot of other things in this world, people sometimes tend to abuse the system.
To sum this all up, once you build that level of respect and admiration for someone it becomes almost impossible to commit a wrong act or take advantage. This does not just apply to musicians, but also to any person for whom it matters.
^^^ this is a great post
Electric, that was one of the most epic posts I\'ve seen in a long time.
i love how this thread just sudently morphed from a "Ilegal downloading" thread to a "how did you meet Buckethead" thread ;D ;D
^^^Lol, it didn\'t get there quite yet, nor was it intended to get there...
The aim of these previous posts (mine included) were to basically justify the reasons for why sharing/downloading music might be initially useful and beneficial to both the artist and the fan, and how that contributes to artist support in the long run. I only shared my experience as to how I came across Bucket, in order to justify my argument above.
If you ask me, I think it projects the right mentality and approach that is expected regarding the sharing of music when someone puts it out there (you initially try it out, and then support if you like....here\'s an analogy you might want to consider....if a friend asks you, and you lend him a CD, your aim/expectation would be for him to listen to it and then perhaps do the same as you did (by buying the CD if he likes it). However, you never know people\'s true intentions, probably not even that of your friend....same thing with online music sharing applies (whoever is posting the sharing link might be naive/blind to the consequences that could follow, and hence the abuse of the system).
The people who download and continue to download more further down the line, without appreciating the work of the artist are insensitive, and will probably have a hard time understanding the true value of things in life.
On a different note, I should really consider sticking to a word limit in my posts lol :P
I\'m not going to voice my opinion on piracy because it\'s not something I want to go into, but I will say this, and I\'ve only really noticed it due to this topic.
I\'ve not come across fans so dedicated and so protective of Buckethead and his work. Sure, all fans are against the piracy of their favourite artists, but with Big B it\'s different and I know why. Buckethead is one of the only musicians I know who\'s so direct with his fans, and this is coming from a man in a mask who has barely uttered a sentence. Already, he\'s closer to us than any band can be with their fans. You can feel it in every limited edition he releases, when he leaves him name and a little doodle on the front, that\'s yours. It\'s that that makes piracy so tragic - that someone would want to steal that. I know they aren\'t all LE but I\'m using that as an example.
The thing is, the reason why piracy exists is the decline of music. Call me nuts, but it makes sense - why would a kid with just enough money for an album spend it on something that might be 90% crap? Of course they\'re going to download it, while Buckethead has been churning quality music out since I\'ve been a small child, both in bands and solo. He\'s a workaholic and it\'s a testament to the music he makes. Honestly, I could listen to him for the rest of my life, just him, and not feel shortchanged.
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the reason why piracy exists is the decline of music
I don\'t agree with this statement - there is tons on music being made right now as we speak, lot\'s of it is real good. I believe the main reason that many people download illegally, or burn cds that they get from a friend or the library is because they have seen some huge a-holes like Gene Simmons, Axl Rose, Liam Gallagher, Steven Tyler, Ted Nugent and ego inflated music producers and the like on interviews and TV reality shows and they are loaded with "entitlement" not to mention jewels, houses, cars, motorcycles, artwork...blah blah blah. Fans see that and think,
they don\'t need my money. Personally I don\'t even want their music but want to download it illegally just to piss them off.
But it\'s not just the "wealthy jerks" that make people download, it could be your favorite musician. C\'mon if you like Snoop or Metallica don\'t tell me you think they need more money. But even more than the image of these musicians sleeping in mattresses filled with bengamins, music is defiant. Many of the messages are to resist, rebel, fight authority, non-conform and empower yourself. Could that message be interpreted by some as "I dare you to steal me?". Or when you hear that some group trashed a hotel room, "hey they\'re into disrespect and so am I so I\'m gonna steal some music". I feel that some artists are to blame for piracy more than the fans.
The big problem I see is when that attitude permeates into indy and hard working musicians and small labels. It can really subvert alot of income to them and these are the guys who DESERVE the money. I\'m with you In Search Of The on feeling never cheated by Big B or Travis, I have been touched by them not only by the music and hard work but by the way they engage with their fans. I\'m happy to give them money when I can but if Buckethead ever comes on stage with a diamond studded mask and bucket and charges $50 for a cheap seat I may reconsider. ;)
EDIT - one last point I want to make is that music IS magic. There is nothing on this earth other than the love of my wife and children that can change my mood in a heartbeat, make me cry, make me laugh, make me jump outta bed and dance in my underwear, give me a tingly sensation in my gut that makes me feel like a giddy schoolgirl just by recalling a riff or lyric in my head. Yeah - music is magic and who doesn\'t want a little of that even if they have to steal it?
Maybe it\'s just me being sour, but I don\'t really like much up-and-coming music or anything all that recent. It might be to do with my taste, but far be it from me to put down anyone\'s opinion or preference, so I\'ll hold my hands up there - if you think the music is decent, I won\'t persuade you otherwise brother.
You said it right when you feel they deserve your money - they do. You think of another musician that will come on a message board as openly as Travis will and interact with us when he has the time? He\'ll try his best not to leave us in the dark and will even answer the occasional personal topic. For example, the topic about his equipment or favourite recording. He doesn\'t have to do that. Hell, he doesn\'t have to have this board running. It\'s that which makes all the difference to me, and I feel good that me buying a few albums at a time helps put food on the table, as small and insignificant as my action may seem.
QuoteMaybe it\'s just me being sour, but I don\'t really like much up-and-coming music or anything all that recent.
My exact thoughts. Not a big fan of "new" music for the most part, sure there are a few good bands today. but I prefer music from the early 90\'s and back. To me, most new music sounds the same. :-/ Just my two cents.
I also agree with everything else you said ;)
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My exact thoughts. Not a big fan of "new" music for the most part, sure there are a few good bands today. but I prefer music from the early 90\'s and back. To me, most new music sounds the same. :-/ Just my two cents.
I also agree with everything else you said ;)
I\'m still a fan of the beatles would you believe it or not.
Downloading = opportunity to hear your next favorite band.
Exploring all my interests I have in music would cost me too much and therefor would I not find something new easily. I have a good memory from back in the day when I would randomly buy a new band because something about it caught my attention, only to have that band totally suck and then I would be out of cash. That truly happened to me often in the 90\'s. Now I can explore many different genres and artists.
Responsibility = some how supporting that band through the purchase of any of their merchandise and seeing live shows.
*When music is downloaded for free the people who take the biggest hit are the record labels. If the band is really popular then I could see a negative impact, but If the band is independent this could increase a fan base.
Totally different rant:
*Back in the day labels looked for artists, and now they make bands. It used to be all about the music but today its about the package. A good example of this is from the band Blues Traveler... If you dont know them, they are a very talented jam band who got somewhat popular in the 90\'s. Because music today is all about the package someone decided to use actors to portray them in a video because their main guy is overweight and unattractive. Strange but true. I also have wondered if this drove Buckethead to actually be Buckethead. I mean that, did he decide to take on this persona because of pressure from the music industry? I like to think that hes just a weird dude and that is just how he is, but was it driven by this pressure. I would like music to get back to the music and strip away this idea that you have to be something more for people to like you. That something more being the ability to dance, how you dress, your attractiveness, and all that other junk that has nothing to do with the music. If Buddy Guy was just starting out now I don\'t think it would be easy for him to get a contract, but back in the day there wasn\'t even a question because he was talented. Sorry for the rant!
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I\'m still a fan of the beatles would you believe it or not.
+1!
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+1!
Big surprise with a nick like "eggman". Coo coo ca choo!
Here\'s something weird and completely unrelated ("and now for something completely different")... I have this memory of Frank Zappa in Little Green Rosetta saying "Rang Tang, Ding Dong, I\'m the Japanese Sandman" and I\'ve never heard that anywhere else before, then I got hooked on HBO\'s new screamer Boardwalk Empire (Buscemi\'s dealio) and it\'s all filled with crazy-old music from 1920-ish.. then I hear this one tune where the woman is singing something about the Japanese Sandman, kinda blew my mind a little bit.
Read all about it?
http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/message/1288629998/%26quot%3BThe+Japanese+Sandman%26quot%3B+ad+nauseam
smooches,
» Phy³ . . .
p.s. sorry for the derailing/hijacking.
Well, I got into Buckethead because of some MP3\'s a friend of mine sent me.
Till now I invested about 3800 Swiss francs into Buckethead stuff. (Only music)...
^^^^ I\'d like to see pics of a buckethead collection with that value.
Quote^^^^ I\'d like to see pics of a buckethead collection with that value.
It\'s not the whole collection.
Some of the CD\'s are in my kitchen, bathroom, car or the living room (like the DVD\'s).
I have a bad camera, so sorry for the shitty picture...
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^^^Holy shit!!! You were not kidding! That\'s just awesome! Thanks for posting this.
Soebe, thanks for sharing your pics of the guitars! Congrats on the acoustic..that is supremely cool how he drew on it ;D
That collection is... Big! :o
So you won that guitar!
Congrats
Thanks
I\'m on 120 CD\'s by now(Without double ones). But it gets really hard to get more CD\'s. I payed 90 dollars for Population Override and 116 for Somewhere over the slaughterhause. Don\'t know how much I can get from the older ones anymore...
I only got a credit card that I can order from TDRS because it\'s very unusual to pay with CC in europe.
Wow, that\'s a SERIOUS collection.
What\'s that CD on the first column, one above Chicken Noodles II and below Kevin\'s Noodle House?
At first I thought it was Electric Tears in a regular jewel case.
nice spread
is that your bh dvd collection in the background?
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What\'s that CD on the first column, one above Chicken Noodles II and below Kevin\'s Noodle House?
looks like
Meridiem, A Pleasant Fiction.Nice collection Soebe!
That\'s an impressive collection. I\'m glad I\'ve finally seen that guitar! I was wondering who won it/what he drew on it and now I know! I wish I could afford such a nice collection. How long has it taken you to build it up?
@ Alex R: It\'s Meridiem.
@BelieveInTheBucket: No, the DVD\'s and some other albums are in the living room.
@SheMouse: I started late 2008, so it\'s about 2 years...
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It\'s not the whole collection.
Some of the CD\'s are in my kitchen, bathroom, car or the living room (like the DVD\'s).
I have a bad camera, so sorry for the shitty picture...
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1329/snapshot20110125.jpg)
you sir, have a very awesome collection.
Soebe - That is by FAR the Biggest and BEST Bucket collection I have ever seen!!!!!
Awesome!!!
Nothing beats supporting great artists.
what\'s the cd above Crime Slunk Scene?
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That\'s a compilation.
It has Praxis - Warzwasa and Innerythmic - Sound System in it.
Congrats on winning the guitar Soebe, just know that I hate you for having two Buckethead guitars though ;D
QuoteCongrats on winning the guitar Soebe, just know that I hate you for having two Buckethead guitars though ;D
The third one is coming *gigity*
^^^I one day hope to have that kind of disposable income. one day ;D
Quote^^^I one day hope to have that kind of disposable income. one day ;D
A credit card and a fake name could also work...
;)
After the debt racks up, fake your own death. I can\'t see any long-term complications of that plan. :D
i could do that, but what if I get arrested? I\'d prefer not to get raped in jail ;)
it\'s a great plan though, if there wasn\'t a chance of getting raped
^Fake your death before the court hearing. :P
^^I didn\'t see that part, my bad :P
Hey I just thought of this. What if Buckethead recorded \'Reopening of the Scapula Factory\' with this guitar? :o
QuoteHey I just thought of this. What if Buckethead recorded \'Reopening of the Scapula Factory\' with this guitar? :o
If that\'s the case, I hope the hammer he used in that song goes up for auction. ;D
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I was the one that sent him the mp3s. :)