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Started by JSTHERACON, February 28, 2007, 04:56:28 pm

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JSTHERACON

QuoteAnybody who wants these wonderful CD’s should do what I did….

F**king Buy it!

That’s kind of the bottom line.

If you are downloading this you are a thief. If you are sharing it you are a criminal and a piece of shit.

This kind of response will always get you demolished with download numbers. Look at metalica\'s numbers and other acts who tried to take on the downloader.  They got literally smashed to the pavement and back again. If this went public with your reaction you would have the seeders up to 400 by now. It\'s counterproductive.

It\'s up to 85 seeders now for In Search of.
Immediately when you pull out a negative reaction to anyone who downloads.

I want to tell you something,Colmatose. Alot of your favorite artists download immensely just like alot of us.

It\'s alll hypocrisy and theater and fear of the evolution of technology in distribution of music.





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JSTHERACON

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I agree. There\'ll always be a few rotten apples in the bunch, that are disloyal and would rather download the music in order to save a buck. Or, in this case, a lot of bucks. Still, I think it\'s horribly wrong, but it\'s always going to happen no matter where you look.


Horribly wrong? I disagree with this one wholeheartedly. Alot of people who will dl this wouldn\'t spend that kind of money. Is it a grey area? Sure, but what isn\'t in life?

I worked in a music store and I tell you what makes people stray away from the artist. When you jack the price just because of who you are. When you are prolific and you have a slew of releases in a short amount of time.




I think we can safely  say that most people in the Buckethead community will pay if they have the money. And those new to Buckethead, they don\'t know about TDRS.

I am on the fence if I will pay because It\'s a CDR. I might just wait for the TDRS download or I may not.

But don\'t think just because someone downloads that makes them a thief or immoral. That\'s some hypocrite crap. Because your favorite freaking artists or friends are doing it right now as we speak somewhere in this world.  And you wouldn\'t dare say that to someone you idolize or look up to.

This is a culture. I download freely and I always observe reactions on this issue.  It\'s controversial but the worst kind of backfire you can imagine will come from judging and demonizing.

Believe me even the people who come out against downloading ARE downloading. It\'s all just a dramatic theater show on the internet.  I know all the standard answers when someone opposes it.


Now I don\'t know about here, but like Colmatose said you would be surprised who downloads broadly in the music community.


I don\'t think I will stop either. I will keep supporting artists when I can afford to. But if someone has something to share I will check it out.  (And so will your favorite artists as well and the listener in that community chiming that downloading is wrong. Usually the one who is the loudest is just projecting)











For BUCKETHEAD projects go here, what are you doing procrastinatin? Order them

redwingfan1234

 :o
... I think someone struck a chord with that dude

d6

March 01, 2007, 06:50:30 pm #33 Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 07:25:38 pm by d6
wow, what a reply. take it a lot of it is adressed to me, since you quoted my post.

but I cant read it. I worked (was painting ) all day....so I dont wanna make my eyes bleed...... no pun intended.

said my opinion already. just  have  to add.

if you go to the "artist support" section, you can read what travis says.


and I can sum my point of view up in 3 sentences:

torrenting/ filesharing free material is a great thing. and its with the permission of the artist.

torrenting/ filesharing of copyrighted material is a rip off. and its without the permission of the artist.

because in the end ITS THE ARTIST WHO CREATES. IT IS HIS WORK,no artist - no music - what are those folks gonna download then?

official hippie hell survivor

keagan2387

I am on the fence if I will pay because It\'s a CDR. I might just wait for the TDRS download or I may not.

I dont see that happening anyime soon. Its limited edition for a reason. If it was available for download people could burn their own disks them selfs and sell it off as the real deal. Yes they could do that now, but it would be alot cheaper and faster for them to just download it. Hence the fact that it is limited edition.

Solar

March 01, 2007, 10:35:56 pm #35 Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 10:40:42 pm by Solar
QuoteThat is, bar none, the funniest comment (albeit unintentionally) I\'ve ever read on the internet! I laughed so hard I actually started crying...thank you so much, you really brightened up my day!

Why thank you. I realise they aren\'t all dead now... don\'t blame me on that one, I\'m not a Beatles fan; I wouldn\'t know/give a damn. I\'m sure the ones still alive are rolling in cash, anywho.

My points still stand, however funny you find the Beatles comment. Rolling all downloading into one barrel and calling it "immoral" is stupid, and hating it because it\'s illegal is stupid.

Solar

"copyright is a fact. copyright infringement is illegal.
 
there is no way to take on that with a philosophical / ethical discourse.
 
its a crime. period."

Yes, it is a crime. But those of us who don\'t blindly follow what people with authority say and actually think for ourselves can have mature conversations about these things. If anything should be questioned, it should be law. Changed, maybe not. But ALWAYS questioned. I don\'t see how you could actually believe this. Philosophical/ethical discourse is the only way to deduce if these laws are right or not... and I assure you, just because America says it\'s wrong, doesn\'t make it wrong.

Our government is not infallible.

colmatose

Quote"copyright is a fact. copyright infringement is illegal.

there is no way to take on that with a philosophical / ethical discourse.

its a crime. period."

Yes, it is a crime. But those of us who don\'t blindly follow what people with authority say and actually think for ourselves can have mature conversations about these things. If anything should be questioned, it should be law. Changed, maybe not. But ALWAYS questioned. I don\'t see how you could actually believe this. Philosophical/ethical discourse is the only way to deduce if these laws are right or not... and I assure you, just because America says it\'s wrong, doesn\'t make it wrong.

Our government is not infallible.

A perfect reply.

Canuck-bot

Here\'s the real crime ...
Filing down these sonic shards to nubs!
MP3s sound hollow and thin.  

superslidetail

QuoteHere\'s the real crime ...
Filing down these sonic shards to nubs!
MP3s sound hollow and thin.  
Basically the main reason I don\'t download music.

Solar

QuoteHere\'s the real crime ...
Filing down these sonic shards to nubs!
MP3s sound hollow and thin.  

Sadly, I don\'t have a portable CD player right now (threw mine at a wall... not out of anger, just because it stopped working and I thought it\'d be fun) so I just use my MP3 player for music anyways. A valid point nonetheless.

Trev

March 02, 2007, 03:29:56 am #41 Last Edit: March 02, 2007, 03:40:32 am by Trev
Quote"copyright is a fact. copyright infringement is illegal.

there is no way to take on that with a philosophical / ethical discourse.

its a crime. period."

Yes, it is a crime. But those of us who don\'t blindly follow what people with authority say and actually think for ourselves can have mature conversations about these things. If anything should be questioned, it should be law. Changed, maybe not. But ALWAYS questioned. I don\'t see how you could actually believe this. Philosophical/ethical discourse is the only way to deduce if these laws are right or not... and I assure you, just because America says it\'s wrong, doesn\'t make it wrong.

Our government is not infallible.

true enough. laws aren\'t always right. But let\'s step away from the law for a moment. Let\'s consider all the ways you personally screw over others when you download entire CDs.  Even if you were a complete anarchist, I\'d suspect that on some level you might care about how your actions affect others, particularly those artists whom you claim to enjoy and respect.

The artists aren\'t doing this as a hobby. This is their profession. This is how they pay their bills. When they record music, they are working. The songs and CDs they create are their property. They have the right to be paid for their work.

You wouldn\'t expect a chef in a restaurant to give away his meals for free. You wouldn\'t expect a dentist to pull your teeth without payment. So why would you expect an artist to give away their work for free and smile about it?

When you dl entire CDs from indie artists like Bucket, you really are taking money right out of their pockets. In addition, you\'re also screwing over the rest of us. Just as shoplifting results in higher prices in stores, if the artist loses CD sales to torrent downloads, it will lead to higher prices and less music.  

"But I want to hear a sample!" is not a valid argument either. THere are plenty of places to hear Bucket without ripping off entire CDs: his MySpace, all the YouTube links where he\'s kindly allowed people to tape his shows, his own site, this site, etc.

"but I can\'t afford it!" So? Life\'s not fair, and we don\'t always get everything we want. That doesn\'t mean you have to resort to theft. Get one CD instead of the whole set. save up. Even if you\'re a kid, you can always babysit, shovel snow, deliver papers, whatever. Of course, that means you\'d have to take the high road and EARN what you want, instead of taking the easy way out and stealing.  

Yeah, there are always going to be people who download complete CDs. just realize that you are in fact stealing, and don\'t try to make it into some noble gesture of rebellion. you\'re taking something that does not belong to you without paying for it. dress it up however you wish, but realize you really are negatively affecting the artist.

Dog

Buckethead needs to eat too. Make sure to reimburse the artist.

I haven\'t ordered ISO yet, but I am looking forward to it.

BTW, Buckethead...you totally ROCKED at the Vic in Chicago. You RULE!

I think of that day everyday...I have never had so much fun.
woof.

phartacus

QuoteIf anything should be questioned, it should be law.

yea those pesky child porn laws should be questioned and we need to rethink this whole drunk driving stuff too, oh yea and lets not forget murder i mean there are so many folks wrongly imprisoned for killing other folks.

Solar

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yea those pesky child porn laws should be questioned and we need to rethink this whole drunk driving stuff too, oh yea and lets not forget murder i mean there are so many folks wrongly imprisoned for killing other folks.

Yes. Let\'s question.

Should we legalize murder?

No. People have the right to live.

End of questioning.

Obviously not all law is bad, LIKE I SAID. But that doesn\'t mean all law is good. Blindly following law is absolutely positively one of the most idiotic things one can do. It is pathetic, cowardly, and counter-productive as far as the advancement of society is concerned.