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Axiology Repress?

Started by bingeneer, January 10, 2015, 10:03:48 pm

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Repress Axiology

Press it on vinyl, I'll buy one.
53 (86.9%)
Repress the CD, I'll buy that.
6 (9.8%)
Already have the CD, not interested in either.
2 (3.3%)

Total Members Voted: 61

BoxenstienMusic

Quote from: bibLLiosoph on January 28, 2015, 07:08:59 pm
in regards to the PO vinyl - i bought one off of amazon and asked ION for some details - here's the response i got:

"
ion is my label ,it was released about two weeks ago,i pressed 1000,deluxe the next pressing will not be deluxe,if this works will press buckethead land two,and both bucketheads cobra stikethanks
ps black vinyl
"
unbelievable. cant believe ion kept this so quiet! mine shipped out this morning and apparently is expected to take 2 months to arrive hahaha shit

kingchicken

Travis, you should do a kickstarter. That way you get the money before you do anything. You could add some special features for example, if someone backs 100$ he gets 2 limited edition copies and some cool stuff. If you don't get enough backing money, the project doesn't happen and they simply give the money back to buyers.

bibLLiosoph

Quote from: kingchicken on January 29, 2015, 08:08:28 pmIf you don't get enough backing money, the project doesn't happen and they simply give the money back to buyers.


With Kickstarter no one is charged unless the threshold is met, no refunds needed.

That being said - I think a kickstarter would be the way to go.

Bucketfel

I think Kickstarter is a bad idea. You are adding a % of your budget into paying Kickstarter, which means you need even more money than you did at the beginning. From what i've seen from kickstarter campaigns, the service is good when you think you'll be able to gain much more money than you need, which easily covers the kickstarer costs while giving a bigger budget to play with. Being realistic, that will not be the case when talking about Axiology. The fan base is loyal but not big, no matter the platform you use.

I've seen a lot of people saying they'll order 1 or 2 copies, that is great to hear, but we dont want this to be a dejavu from A Real Diamond in the Rough repressing. This time we should put our money where our mouths are. Travis should set up a page of it on TDRS as if you were selling the vinyl, but instead you are just pre-ordering it. Essentially, Travis would be making his own kickstarter here on TDRS, and you become an investor. You hope that the goal will be met and you get your product. If after a certain period of time this goal is not met, the money is refunded to you (or most of it, depending if the service Travis uses takes a cut).
It would be the most cost effective method for Travis, that way he saves the money from paying kickstarter. I know it sounds harsh for the user to potentially loose some money, its a harsh reality, but at the end, you are an investor in the project, and they might or not loose money sponsoring it.
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EHughes528

January 29, 2015, 09:54:18 pm #79 Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 09:57:10 pm by EHughes528
Hey there Travis and gang!

Eric from SlyVinyl.com here and I just wanted to share this little tidbit of inside info with ya'll:

I created a post for the Buckethead - Population Override vinyl release approximately 48 hours ago and the interest has really been tremendous.
Already this post has rocketed to the top of our Top Posts list for all posts created in the last 7 days!

I know this doesn't directly correlate with interest in a potential Axiology pressing, but I think it does highlight that Buckethead is a draw for vinyl enthusiasts and below shows some really good numbers (even for our tiny blog!).



And in all honesty, I think the demand for this PO vinyl would actually be more if there had been any sort of press release or promotion for it at all.

It's almost like it was a secret release, but Occum's Razor tells me it was more likely just laziness on the label's part (odd when there's money on the line).

Anyways, I just thought I'd share that, because I see there's a lot of deliberation/discussion going on here about gauging interest.

Cheers!

Eric Hughes
Sly Vinyl Author

BoxenstienMusic

Quote from: kingchicken on January 29, 2015, 08:08:28 pm
Travis, you should do a kickstarter. That way you get the money before you do anything. You could add some special features for example, if someone backs 100$ he gets 2 limited edition copies and some cool stuff. If you don't get enough backing money, the project doesn't happen and they simply give the money back to buyers.
kickstarter is a bad idea

Travis

January 29, 2015, 11:17:57 pm #81 Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 11:21:26 pm by Travis
A couple of points to cover. Some of these are points made here and some to those sending me ideas by email. I've mentioned this about Kickstarter before. In fact all of this has been gone over a number of times trying to repress CD's. I'm not big on Kickstarter. As was mentioned above, it might be fine if you have a big enough fan base to cover Kickstarter's take. I know it's hard to believe for a lot of you but we have a really small fan base to start with. Now we are talking about people who actually buy things, a sub base of that fan base and a product of limited interest to them.  I think probably a couple of hundred buyers at most.

I know Population Override was pressed at 1000 and it may do well, but I think there will be a lot of left over records or a lot of stock for a long time. The CD is a slow seller having saturated it's fan base long ago.  Population Override could easily have been called Thanatopsis, or Dragons of Eden or some band name, but through a twist of fate ION was owed a record and I had one, so it's the only collaboration to be called a "Buckethead" record and the only one I did that left my label. Just by virtue of that, it gets way more attention than Thanatopsis and I have no control of it. So comparing them doesn't work in terms of prospects. It may do better than I think. But for me I have this little body of work that is really tricky to decide  how I should address my limited resources in terms of what to do with it.

Really the easiest and cheapest thing would be do nothing. It's easy to get carried away by the enthusiasm of 42 really great people who have supported me and a lot of I have known for years. And I'm doing the reductionist math here, 42 people saying in a poll they will buy 2 translates to how many actual pre-sales? I hear you about trying to spread the word more then just this forum, but really, the way the internet works, just a post here spreads and there are posts about this in lots of forums and Facebook and so on. In fact my off hand remark about PO vinyl a few posts back  is probably responsible for any sales its getting now. I'm pretty sure any real interest will make it's way here if it's real.  I'm taking all of this into account. The poll is only to gauge the interest and I can extrapolate the real interest just observing whats goes on here.

So the poll is only a test to see if it's worth pre-selling the LP. Thats what I would do, but up a page, describe what I'm going to make and ask those to buy it now and hopefully take possession in a few months.  We have been here before, to repress "Buckethead" CDs not Thanatopsis and the market was saturated by the first pressing and so little enough demand to justify a repress.

I know this is a little different and I really would love to do this and it's kind of fun collaborating with you all to try to brainstorm a way to do something we all kind of want.
I'm not here to make money on this, I never have, so why start now. If I can just cover the costs I would do it. If I made a profit, I would just press something else with it. I do not want to pre-sell 42 or 62 LPs and have to go through the laborious banking task of returning the money.

This started by, as I often am, being asked "when will Axiology (or insert out of press record here) get repressed". In the end, it's no big deal, an obscure little record on an even more obscure label trying to drum up enough interest to resurrect itself for one more little splash of attention. But there is something cool and old school rock and roll about it.

So, I'll let it ride. This will either gain some momentum and we will have vinyl or it will peter out all together.
In the meantime, I'm digging around the old mixes and looking for interesting unreleased bits and just seeing what kind of package I could but together just in case it doesn't.

DeathCubeUK

Sorry Travis. I was posting at the same time you were but have now removed it as you have addressed some of what I said and more.

I can't argue with anything you've said about the logistics of this and respect you for considering this (and other previous represses I have benefited from) for its artistic merit regardless of any potential financial gains (or not as the case may be).

Clearly though, nobody wants this to have a negative impact on you financially either, and you are right to consider this logically (along with the heart).

I agree that people will hopefully find this if demand is there. I really hope so (not just so I can own a copy but for the grass roots, rock n' roll reasons you mentioned).

Eric - Welcome to the forum! Would there be Amy possibility of this being added to the Population Override blog with a link to the forum? It might be the push that's needed. And don't forget to vote on the poll (same goes for anyone  ;) ) Thanks, keep up the good work.

topher

Yeah, I think all of us definitely get where you're coming from, Travis. Like you said, let it ride. Who knows, maybe a couple months from now we'll be seeing the kind of demand you need to make this happen.

Just out of curiosity, are you thinking of picking up a Population Override LP? For old times' sake?  ;D

bingeneer

Quote from: Travis on January 29, 2015, 11:17:57 pm
This started by, as I often am, being asked "when will Axiology (or insert out of press record here) get repressed". In the end, it's no big deal, an obscure little record on an even more obscure label trying to drum up enough interest to resurrect itself for one more little splash of attention. But there is something cool and old school rock and roll about it.



Travis, sorry for all the activity (maybe unwanted) that my question started.  But the only point I wanted to make now is this; the reason I asked about Axiology is because the store still lists this cd, and it is described as "temp sold out".  To me, this implies you have some plan to bring it back at some point.  Other CDs have simply disappeared from the store altogether as your inventory went to zero.  For instance, Shadows Between the Sky is the CD I most regret missing out on, but it is not listed in the store at all.  So I know it will never be repressed.

I'm not really interested in vinyl (although I do have a turntable down in the basement somewhere!), so I'll be looking to get Axiology used somewhere.  Thanks for entertaining the idea.

DeathCubeUK

Bingeneer - Although ironically you are not interested in a vinyl copy of the album, I for one am glad you asked the question which has led to some exciting activity, and who knows, hopefully in the not too distant future to a vinyl pressing of a great album.

Like you I also somehow missed out on Shadows.. I don't quite know how as I was always keeping an eye out at the time and was glad to have the opportunity to buy A Real Diamond In The Rough, and even got one of the first Happy Holidays LE's that was used here on the Tdrs site, and the picture is still on Wiki (I never put it there).

But yeah, I agree on missing out on Shadows.. and am always a keen supporter of a repress even if only for the benefit of others, so thank you for at least igniting the spark. I notice we are up a vote.

If anyone is reading this and interested in a vinyl copy of Axiology, and perhaps not registered on the forum, help make it happen. Register and vote, let's keep the interest going. Cheers  :)

bibLLiosoph

Here's the pics (full album): http://imgur.com/a/tK8eN

Haven't had a chance to spin it yet - but I cannot tell you the extra tracks, they aren't mentioned anywhere on the release...

Someone's going to have to listen and write them down I figure....


S

Bendix

Quote from: bibLLiosoph on February 02, 2015, 10:10:18 pm
Here's the pics (full album): http://imgur.com/a/tK8eN

Haven't had a chance to spin it yet - but I cannot tell you the extra tracks, they aren't mentioned anywhere on the release...

Someone's going to have to listen and write them down I figure....


The bonus tracks are listed here: http://www.discogs.com/Buckethead-Population-Override/release/6603460

pepper in eyes

Like those guys, I also don't have Shadows... so any kind of repress on that would be great, but honestly I think Shadows, Captain EO's Voyage or Inbred Mountain would be your best bet to generate interest in Bucket-related vinyl, and perhaps do Axiology afterwards if the first does well? For instance, I'm considering buying 2 Axiology vinyl's (depends how much shipping is) but I wouldn't even think twice about Captain EO or Shadows.
There's definitely interest in Buckethead vinyl, and if people have to come to this site to buy it, you could put a link or a poll at the top of the page to an Axiology poll/pre-order?

Travis

Again, and maybe again. We are only talking about TDRSmusic records here.  Thanatopsis, Dragons of Eden, Chicken Noodles, like that. I don't own the rights to those other records, never have.