no love for obama?

[phartacus]

When whitewolf said that democracy is no good for tribal people and nobody challenged him on that i had a feeling this board was infested with closet racists. But now its been 4 days since the first black man won the iowa caucusses and the silence is quite puzzling. I mean after all you liberals are the ones constantly making the claim that you champion the cause and the plight of black people held under thumb of us racist rich WHITE republicans. I thought for sure this board would be alive with posts reveling in this historic event.

[eggman90]

Well, ok, greetings-might as well make this my first post. I\'m excited to know that the current administration has pushed people far enough to want major change. I hope he takes it all the way. I\'m a little surprised at the lack of enthusiasm as well...... :-/

[phartacus]

major change

ahh yes the "change" mantra ive had shoved down my throat in every 10 second soundbyte spewing forth from my TV. a vague and ambiguous campaign slogan tailor made for a political party that lacks any substanative answers to the most simple problems america faces.

[eggman90]

ahh yes the "change" mantra ive had shoved down my throat in every 10 second soundbyte spewing forth from my TV. a vague and ambiguous campaign slogan tailor made for a political party that lacks any substanative answers to the most simple problems america faces.

No better or worse than the platform Bush stole the election over on-terrorism. I\'ll take just about anything over the current administration, even roadkill.

[phartacus]

No better or worse than the platform Bush stole the election over on-terrorism. I\'ll take just about anything over the current administration, even roadkill.

if your contention is that "roadkill" could govern just as well as a human then you admit this whole change thing is purely based upon your hatred of bush and this change you seem to want is not in any certain policy?

[eggman90]

if your contention is that "roadkill" could govern just as well as a human then you admit this whole change thing is purely based upon your hatred of bush and this change you seem to want is not in any certain policy?

I\'ll admit to something I\'m not proud of-I voted for Bush, and I\'m very sorry I did. Purely on the terrorist platform. Thankfully, this administration has turned me completely around on the Republican party, so it\'s a blessing in disguise. I tend to lean toward the Libertarian side, however I have issues with their gun platform. I\'ll say I\'m fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

To answer your question from the other thread on illegal aliens voting (trying to answer it in less posts), I\'m against "illegals" voting anywher outside of their country. But I\'m also repulsed by how much money and effort the Republicans pour into invalidating votes or voters that might be considered Democrats.

[gkg]

I speak only for myself, but the reason for my silence on political issues on this board has been you.  Discourse does not happen with you - most often you choose to simply insult and rant at those whose opinions differ without engaging in genuine conversation.  You make conversation about politics here into something annoying... and the political scene has enough annoyances without getting into a pissing contest with an anonymous person who, however aptly, chooses to use a handle glorifying the expression of foul air from his anus.

[buswolley]

^I second that!^

[buswolley]

Eggman, unless I missed something I\'m pretty sure she is referring to Phartacus -- I know I am; there\'s history.

Sex and skin doesn\'t matter to me just platform.  I (more than likely) wouldn\'t be for Clinton and Obama together.  I would fear that the two of them would battle each other; each wanting to steer the boat regardless of who held the captains hat.  

Phartacus, you always complain that we don\'t say anything good about Bush, so this one is for you: I read recently that Bush\'s 4000 square foot Crawford ranch is considerable greener then Gore\'s 10,000 square foot Nashville mansion.  Props to Bush for his eco friendly ranch which includes -- rain and water recycling, and geo thermal heating and cooling.

[eggman90]

Eggman, unless I missed something I\'m pretty sure she is referring to Phartacus -- I know I am; there\'s history.

Sex and skin doesn\'t matter to me just platform.  I (more than likely) wouldn\'t be for Clinton and Obama together.  I would fear that the two of them would battle each other; each wanting to steer the boat regardless of who held that captains hat.  

Phartacus, you always complain that we don\'t say anything good about Bush, so this one is for you: I read recently that Bush\'s 4000 square foot Crawford ranch is considerable greener then Gore\'s 10,000 square foot Nashville mansion.  Props to Bush for his eco friendly ranch which includes -- rain and water recycling, and geo thermal heating and cooling.

Oops, what a dummy-I assumed it was aimed at me since it was directly below my post-which is now gone (whew). Thanks, I feel better now!

[buswolley]

You\'re not a dummy; it\'s an easy mistake, cause that\'s the way most post read.  If you are relatively new to this battle ground you would have no idea of past history.  You sure didn\'t need to remove your post.  I thought your question on an Obama/Clinton ticket was an interesting one.

I for one will be soooo pissed if Clinton steels the nomination through Super Delegates.  It might even be enough to get me to vote Republican.  Not to imply that I have anything against Clinton, but if she disregards the popular vote and acquires the nod through smoke filled back room politics, I\'m not sure I would trust her to have the peoples best interests in mind.  The same would hold true if the tides turn on Obama.  

Democrats can\'t scream foul play when it happened in 2000 and then sit back and accept it inside their own party.  

[eggman90]

You\'re not a dummy; it\'s an easy mistake, cause that\'s the way most post read.  If you are relatively new to this battle ground you would have no idea of past history.  You sure didn\'t need to remove your post.  I thought your question on an Obama/Clinton ticket was an interesting one.

I for one will be soooo pissed if Clinton steels the nomination through Super Delegates.  It might even be enough to get me to vote Republican.  Not to imply that I have anything against Clinton, but if she disregards the popular vote and acquires the nod through smoke filled back room politics, I\'m not sure I would trust her to have the peoples best interests in mind.  The same would hold true if the tides turn on Obama.  

Democrats can\'t scream foul play when it happened in 2000 and then sit back and accept it inside their own party.  

Whatever you do, please don\'t vote Republican. McCain is an honorable man, however he would continue the Bush administration\'s work in Iraq. I agree with you on the super delegates, a bizarre nomination ploy. Sucks bigtime because they make up one-fifth of the total number of delegates. After all the stolen or disregarded Democratic votes in the last two presidential elections, we get this thrown into the mix.

[buswolley]

Yes, I can\'t imagining voting for someone who says it\'s ok to be in Iraq for the next 100 years.  

As far as the delegates b.s., it just proves that no matter what most, if not all, politicians are cut from the same cloth.

[gkg]

Eggman - I\'m sorry for any confusion - my reference to the handle may have been just a bit too oblique... it was indeed intended for Phartacus and not you.

As to your current discussion with Buswolley - I think the only way to end a lot of this jerrymandering of the vote is to do away with the electoral college.

Peace to ya both.  

[buswolley]

We\'ve been down this road a time or two haven\'t we, G.  It would give me a glimmer of hope for electoral reform if the Democrats even began discussing their own party voting faults.  

Obama says he will not follow lobbyist or PAC agendas - its one thing not to take their money, but it\'s another to change the way the system currently works.  There is so much in Washington to clean up, on both sides.  I don\'t see how anyone can talk about fixing/changing health care, insurance, air pollution, oil dependence without changing the way our current government operates.  I see little hope for reform with money steering the ship (I seem to be on a nautical reference theme lately, captain\'s hat, steering the ship. *rolls eyes*)  And blaming the Republicans is "the pot calling the kettle black."  I hope there are substantial changes and not just a lot of beating against the hull. *cheeky smile*  

My husband had an interesting observation a couple of days ago, he said that perhaps the world needs Obama; the son of an immigrant, African American, there was one more, but I can\'t recall.  The world needs to see America look past its dogma and prejudices, and to know that we are ready to embrace our place in a world environment.  He seems to embody that better than the others.  I don\'t think that should be the sole reason to vote for anyone, but it made a certain amount of sense.  Anyone else\'s thoughts...