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Started by oldfolkie, September 02, 2005, 05:11:47 pm

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caper

that is very adult to apologize and i respect you for it but come on phartucus  (LOL @ the classical gas) get real i see you incite and go all ad hominum on the peeps and then cry foul when they bite back?

about katrina this is all i have to say :\'(
the map is not the territory

gkg

thank you for the apology.

however, that was not a debate, it was an attack and hence i don\'t feel compelled to reciprocate with an apology of my own.

i hear ya, Caper, sad indeed.   :\'(
Peace.

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dirtface

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first of all no i dont consider myself "the voice of reason"
Good. Your not.

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i stated in my post that i saw a poo poo response from the bottom up (meaning LOCAL, STATE, and FEDERAL) but i see from you people is bush this, bush that, bush is hitler, bush is killing black people and on and on and on.

Just a reminder, your earlier post stated

"The president\'s emergency declaration authorizes the FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes, or counties."

Maybe you need to reread this carefully as it sure seems you didn\'t understand just what it said when you posted it. I suggest you pay special attention to the phrase

"authorizes the FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts ".

See, this is not how a bottom up approach works but it certainly was how a top down approach failed. Do you understand what I mean?

As for money, it comes from the Federal Reserve; which you see is part of the Government though it acts with great autonomy.....

And as for helping addicts do you think it is reasonable to say that it is a wise investment in people to imprison them? Think your response through a bit before you go off.

gkg

Phartacus, you take issue with the idea that this is at all political - so I would like to remind you, Bush\'s administration has steadfastly replaced the trained professionals heading FEMA with political paybacks who have NO experience or knowledge in this extremely important and complex field.  You can\'t GET more policital than that and this is a branch of the government that should NOT be politicized at all.

I believe that was Mr. Mortensen\'s point, and I agree with him completely.  It is that sort of ill conceived decision making that has marked this administration from the onset and demonstrates that Bush does not deserve to be in power, regardless of whether one thinks he was legitimately elected or not.

Mr. Bush deserves Impeachment more than any president before him and the evidence of same is mounting daily.  Why people choose not to see it is beyond me but in this particular instance I\'m not going to address the matter further.  You claim to know already what we "liberals" have to say and be closed against it - that is your loss, as you might learn something if you didn\'t label and ignore once labeled.
Peace.

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lae

Too many things went wrong with the handling of this disaster.  It should never have happened.  I\'m not into bashing anyone, but I do think the buck stops at the top and that is with the President.  This was a federal problem, there was no way local agencies could handle the devastation brought on by Katrina.  

phartacus

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Mr. Bush deserves Impeachment more than any president before him and the evidence of same is mounting daily.

please point to one impeachable offense...just one

seriously why is government the sacred cow to you people? if you paid attention to whats going on you will see that big bulky governments are just incapable of doing anything and all you want is more government, more red tape, and more bureaucratic BS. and just so you all know congress writes laws, sets budgets and so on and so forth, the president doesnt. i dont hear anyone bitching about hillary clintoon or any other congress person voting to add FEMA to Dept. of homeland security....hello? hello? hello?

phartacus

Quotebut I do think the buck stops at the top and that is with the President.

of course you think that, there is an evil republican currently in office but.......

in this instance im afraid what you, I, or anyone else "thinks" is irrelevant. bills are written by members of congress then voted on by said congress then if passed they are signed into law by the president. its been this way for 200 some odd years. its called a representative republic (the layfolkcall it democracy)  and each individual state has certain rights and the FEDS cannot come in unless they are asked to by the state. cmon guys this is 12th grade stuff here. thats the law if ya dont like it vote for people who will change it.    

lae

Quoteof course you think that, there is an evil republican currently in office but.......

I would think that if there was a Democrat in office too.

gkg

Quoteplease point to one impeachable offense...just one

Lying, at best, and quite probably fabricating, to take this nation into war.

I do not want more government.  Why does the government want more of my rights?  I do wonder why you cling to the skirts of the administration and demand that Bush not be deemed responsible for the errors he\'s made in shredding FEMA.

You suggest that Viggo and presumably those of us who agree with him, "let grown folks do grown folks work" - what condescending crap.  My guess?  Both he and I are older than you are.  Not that it matters.  I suspect that we have each seen more in the varied cities and countries we\'ve lived in, than you\'ve had a chance to...  A broader base of knowledge and experience could be informing our statements.

As I said, Phartacus, you\'ve labeled democrats as "libtards" and don\'t really want a discussion - so this is the end of my replies to you on this thread.  I do thank you for the points you\'ve raised though, because of your perspective I was interested in looking more deeply into FEMA and I have to say, it only solidified my position.

PEACE.
Peace.

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dirtface

OMG! I just read the state has ordered 25,000 body bags.  :\'(

phartacus

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- what condescending crap.  

I suspect that we have each seen more in the varied cities and countries we\'ve lived in, than you\'ve had a chance to...  A broader base of knowledge and experience could be informing our statements.


wow i wonder whats worse my condescention, or your ARROGANT condescention? i like how you throw a little hypocricy into the mix as well. but hey if ya really wanna get down to brass tax a recent poll showed 13% of the population blames the prez......welcome to kookville gkg    


gkg

Not arrogance at all - I\'m over 40 and lived in 2 countries; I\'ve lived in 2 states in Brasil and 9 states within the US.  I\'ve see a lot and come to certain conclusions based on that and if you\'ll read it I said I suspected that it "could" be so - no statement or condescension.

As for polls - what sources?  I\'m hearing a very different scenario, but ultimately it doesn\'t matter - you\'re looking for a mud slinging contest and I\'m not interested.
Peace.

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Durga

Phartacus wrote:

"idiots like viggo just need to shit the f**k up"

OK, the gloves are off.  

Do not disrespect Viggo Mortensen ever.  He is one of my greatest artistic inspirations, and he is a good man.  Something, I highly doubt a guy with the screen name "Phartacus" can claim.

Listen, Phartacus, you are clearly an angry little man who takes perverse pleasure in spewing your sad, small-minded venom wherever you can.  Your lack of compassion is beyond my ability to fathom.  

Gratefully, you are not the majority.  Gratefully, the majority of Americans (and humanity, for that matter) are committed to helping one another with hearts full of love and service.  Case in point, we didn\'t elect Bush the first time and we didn\'t elect him the second time.  Check the facts on voting fraud in Ohio and elsewhere and you\'ll see that Bush stole the election twice.

The fact that our current \'president\' is a completely inept moron will not stop us.  Love will prevail.  It always does.  No amount of hateful words on your part can stop that...

Don\'t bother responding with ugly banter...unless you enjoy amassing bad karma.

PEACE
Where is the justice of political power if it executes the murderer and jails the plunderer, and then itself marches upon neighboring lands, killing 1000s and pillaging the very hills? --Kahlil Gibran

dirtface

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I do not want more government.

PEACE.

I am guessing this is just one more reason for you NOT to vote for something like our current administration. It is puzzling how people buy into the double speak; tax cuts for some and increased government spending somehow equal a reduction in government.  Even a blind person likely \'sees\' where this road leads and anyone over 35 should be able to remember where it landed us 20 something years ago. The only difference this time around is the industry that power is build on had already been gutted 20 something years ago.

Remember gkg, the creation of Homeland Security was a reduction in government accomplished by spending more money and adding more layers.

gkg

you\'ve got my number, dirtface; i read double-speak loud and clear.  knew the tax break was a farce; knew the HLS was going to stand for Hell Lets Stick\'em - with more layers, more red tape, more bullshit titles for worthless friends... the only reduction we got was fewer places to turn when the shit hit the fan, fewers avenues for true checks and balances.

sigh... it\'s the only good thing about my dad being dead - he\'d be heart broken.  he\'d be stirring up a damn good stink, but he\'d be heart broken nonetheless.
Peace.

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