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Started by gkg, September 22, 2004, 06:20:23 pm

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Ocean

(((HUGS)))) *offers tissue to Beatnik* ;)

No worries love, I am going to vote. I\'m just not going to vote for the presidential candidates! As for Nader, and per what you said about the Republican\'s $upporting him to their own ends in the election, I think my casting a vote for him would not only support GW\'s party motives, but also elect that other evil into office. (Kerry and that\'s my humble O. so if you have to throw something, make it eclairs so it teaches me a serious lesson! :) )

If nothing else I\'ll write my own name into the blank. (I too have applied for a paper ballot. )
Sure, it may lend to the very same machine as a vote for Nader, but one thing for sure, I know I\'m not corrupt! Ok,  I may be corrupt but I\'m not bought, let\'s put it that way! *evYl grinZ*

Also, regarding the argument  for dismanteling the electoral college; I\'ve noticed  of late that this debate has entered  the media as well. I think before we dismantel we need to find a replacement for the current system and go from there.

For those who do not know about the processes involved in our National election\'s via/ the oversight of the electoral college, please consider this link: http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecworks.htm

gkg

lovely Ocean, it is by all means your right to waive the vote.  i don\'t know why you would choose to do so really, i am not familiar with your feelings on Kerry being evil (although politicians can tend to be that way) - all i know in my heart of hearts is that every vote not cast toward Kerry is in essence a vote for the status quo.  a vote actually cast for anyone other than Kerry tips the scales toward Bush - if you\'re not going to vote for Kerry then you may want to refrain from casting a vote at all unless you want the election to go to Bush.  i don\'t think that\'s what you want.

sadly, as my son pointed out, when you reach adulthood you learn that you cannot always have ideal choices to make.  sometimes it\'s the less appalling of the two that you have to support, in order to thwart the unthinkable weasel from taking the office again.
Peace.

image = <i>"Blue Velvet"</i> (front of 2-sided piece) (c) georgia k griffin - all rights reserved

edjane_maps

   GKG I agree!

   Your words so beautiful and very important!

   I agree and support you!

   Best Wishes for all friends and Kisses!

  Edjane Maps

   :-* :-* :-* ;)
edjane maps :)

Beatnik

Ocean - you are too funny! I will throw eclairs at you if you return the favor!! Then we can pig out!  ;D

I had a long road with my husband , who used to claim he was a repub, but could not back it up by clear opinions that follow the elephant platform. He was basically bullied by his troglodyte father into think that he was. What a hard job it wsa to free his mind, to find his own opinions.

Then an intersting thing happened. I got laid off. I was with Morgan Stanley for almost 4 years and got caught in the 3rd round of layoffs related to 911. (they were the LARGEST tenat in the trade centers - 1 million sq feet) Then just after 6 months of looking, I landed my current job (corporate trainer for La-Z-Boy). 6 weeks after I started, he lost his job, as the restaurant closed. He was out of work for 9 months, until recently he went back to school to finish his bachelors,  as he has seen first hand how that hurt his search.

So we apply for aide to send him to school. Our estimated per person income was about $15,400, as we had only one paycheck between us. Arizona state, Vermont state, and the federal government turned us down. They were willing to give us loans... yeah no thanks we have enough debt. His repub father threw a fit, because we turned to his deep pockets to pay for it. So my newly educated husband - who is now a registered Dem, said "It is because of Bush - he underfunded education by like 12 BILLION dollars. Bush\'s veiw of higher education is that if you can afford it - you don\'t go, which is fine because the HAVES and the HAVE MORES need servants!" Wow, he was pissed to say the least! I was so proud.

He realises that not voting or paying attention, the country went to hell in a hand basket mighty quick. He understands how it effects him personally. I will continue to raise the conciousness of those who will listen. But it is damn hard getting their heads pulled out of the ground!

Three purple hearts trumps two DUI\'s!

Cheney, Bush and Ashcroft, the REAL axis of evil!

If you aren\'t totally appalled - you have not been paying attention!

4 Years was good enough for his father!

Rock the vote!!

Beatnik  8)

gkg

September 23, 2004, 09:53:46 pm #19 Last Edit: September 23, 2004, 10:01:30 pm by gkg
bem, Edjane Maps.  muito obrigado.   ;)


hey, at least his father was actually elected and not handed the decision by GOP stoodges, er judges.
Peace.

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m4sure

I wish I could vote in the US election...many times!

(((No more War)))  :\'(

gkg

Peace.

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Ocean

September 24, 2004, 02:00:51 am #22 Last Edit: September 24, 2004, 02:37:40 am by Ocean
[glb]"I will throw eclairs at you if you return the favor!! Then we can pig out!" Beatnik[/glb]


Armed and ready bebe! *chuckles* Attention hips! Prepare to scream!


 Dessert is proof the Goddess loves us and want\'s us to be happy.

 Ok, it\'s also proof she get\'s an aunery chuckle watching our waistline\'s expand, but thaaaat\'s an entirely different gif!  :D

I believe this election is going to be very close all the way through.
I also believe, given the latest reports concerning "credible sources" claiming terrorists are targeting election week for a strike, that Junior will resort to anything , utilize any excuse, to insure he sit\'s another 4 years!  
How can a Nation be assured of it\'s National security and future, when it\'s leadership is criminal!?


Goddess Bless America and save us from the evil that is Junior and his minions.
I would actually spell out his name, however since it was reported by Metallica  in an interview last year, that their official fan site was shut down for a brief period of time soley because a members SN was, Ki**B_____ ,
 I thought better than to risk it.  (*This member was also detained by Federal authorities for questioning.)

I really don\'t feel like being arrested, detained for days and refused a speedy trial, right before the election that ousts the dictator that helped bring the laws that manifest that National fear, to life! I say dictator because Junior sought on three separate ocassions, to obtain the powers of autonomy through Congress. Blessedly , he failed in that effort. However there are other ways to assume the mantel as he proves time and time again.

There\'s an old joke that goes; If ignorance is bliss, why aren\'t more of the stupid people smiling.

I know one of that number that wear\'s a smirk and yet somewhere in Texas there\'s a village asking the question; when\'s the idiot moving back!?
I pray we answer them. Soon people, very very soon.

And yet, given his character, I doudt that will happen. Because an idiot in power is a very powerful idiot and that is something a free country can ill afford.
We can\'t afford our daughters and sons, mothers and fathers, dying in foreign lands while our administration reaps the benefit$.

And we certainly can\'t afford to bolster the climate of fear, paranoia , racism and intollerance, that currently holds power in this Nation and consumes the freedom\'s of her people.

gkg

you know - i was offered the chance to curate a politically themed art show here in SF, but was told that FBI had told them there were guidelines for political shows and you cannot have anything that implies killing or injuring him.  ok - i personally don\'t, but others i would have included do - and i have to say since when is he the only thing in the world that cannot be injured or killed in effigy or art?  

"sticks and stones may break my bones, but art, that can really hurt me" whined the Shrub, sheltered behind Cuntalizza\'s apron.

needless to say - i am not curating that show... when i balked at telling other artists what they may and may not submit (let alone being told what i may select) - suddenly a member of the group\'s board was curating the show.  i don\'t blame them - when the FBI takes an interest your gallery, it\'s bound to make you nervous.
Peace.

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Beatnik

Censorship in ART!  :-X

Makes me sick. I had thought that was a protected form of free speach under the first amendment. Oops! I forgot, it almost doesn\'t exist anymore.  :o

It is a horror, what is happening. Next they will go back to book burnings, starting I am sure with Kitty Kelly\'s new book on the Shrub family! If he steals anohter 4 years I will move out of the US and become an expatriot untill our rights are restored. OK, maybe that is xtreme. Even with the ills brougt on in the last 4 years, I suppose we still have it best. Scary thought!

Ocean - if we want to get REALLY messy we can throw chocolate sundays! But no nuts, they sting! ROFL

Beatnik  8)

Ocean

September 24, 2004, 04:16:48 pm #25 Last Edit: September 24, 2004, 05:24:11 pm by Ocean

Truly sad and yet, given this administration, not surprising.

Remember when freedom of speech was guaranteed by ancient parchment, art was honored as the subtle language of the creative spirit, and the paranoia of Macarthyism was a shameful relic of our past!?  :-[

I just saw your post Beatnik and had to edit! ;)
They sting?
Had alot of experience being pelted by nut covered Sundae\'s have ya!? *EvYl GrinZ*  Somewhere in the dark recesses of "Shhhh, don\'t tell", there\'s a Baskin Robbins that knows the truth!


Actually I also edited because you said this;

Beatnik Quote: Next they will go back to book burnings

[glb]"Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings." (German: ""Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.")--Heinrich Heine, from his play Almansor (1821)[/glb]

Book burning is not something radical\'s need return to. It\'s , sadly and shamefully enough, alive and well in the 21st century! Please consider this link: http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bookburning/21stcentury/21stcentury.htm

And what you don\'t burn you can always ban!


Given the timelyness of this post, I had to share this link: http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bannedbooksweek.htm
Banned Books week! September 25th ~October 2nd.
And you will be amazed at the titles on the list!

I thought to share a personal experience related to the issue of book burning, that I encountered in Tampa Florida a few years ago.
I selected a list of books from the Tampa public library catalog, for my studies, and began to search for them on shelf. The subject of these books was Goddess history and Witchcraft.
I found only one of the books on my list, on shelf.
I approached the librarian to inquire as to when these books were due back, presuming they were checked out recently. (This was before the current online catalog at TPL).
The librarian checked her terminal and said that most of the books were noted as having been "lost".  I was shocked that so many titles in two different subject , would be lost by patrons who had checked them out.

I was ignorant of radicals burning book\'s in the 20th century until  that librarian gave me the education that broke my heart.

It seem\'s that the public library system of Florida is and had been for some years, well aware of a collective of radical Christians who united to exercise their agenda toward a single cause; to extricate the "Devil" from his influence in the public library systems.

Consequently they would apply for library cards, using their real ID, (believing the risk was inherent in those dedicated to "Gods" service). Then they would check out book\'s that were considered Satanic in nature.
They would horde these books for months and then once a year, (Christs~mass), they would get together in their respective area\'s of the State and burn them all! United in this collective effort that they imagined would vanquish the evil from their local communities.

I was outraged that not only did the Florida Public Library system know about these zealots and their destructive agenda toward public property, but that they never persued charges or imposed penalties! i.e. billing and in the extreme, summoning to court, for  the cost of the books these psycho\'s stole on the record of their library account! Not only that, but these creatures were permitted to continue to check out titles until someone, anyone, in the system realized the pattern on their library account and closed their access!

And the books they stole? Were they to ever be replaced? I asked that.  No! Why? Because unless the patron paid for the loss, the libraries budget , because of the vast number of books throughout the State system that are lost every year, could not afford to replace them at their own expense!

And then she shocked me even further.  she sighed as if in disgust and told me that these kind of creatures, with their sick collective\'s agenda, also worked at the Post Offices (around the Country) and exacted the same philosophy in their mail delivery!

 

As for the notion of becoming an expatriot in the face of the opression. Simply said, if we run, it wins! Not only does it enslave our freedom, but by running we show no respect for the freedom we claim to love because we don\'t stand and fight to keep it.

I\'ll die before I allow a dictatorship to take my Nation and enslave my people. Because if it kills me in the process of fighting for freedom, I still win, because then I am truly free .  I\'ll rest in peace knowing I passed beyond the veil while standing on my feet, rather than serving on my knees! It\'s not that I fight for America. It\'s that I fight for freedom, that is the right of any people of any Nation!



"My views are one that speaks to freedom."-- GWB Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004
(Yes, and sadly enough it says: "Goodbye and welcome to a future of Authoritarianism!")

Beatnik

That is really apalling. That the library system does not prosecute them, I had them come after me on a book of colonial Lousiana history! (btw - I am a history fanatic)

You\'ll love this tid bit then...

In an article from the NY Times, I was reported tht at a rally in either Kansas or Oklahome (don\'t have it with me at the moment), shortly before the Repub National Convention, that people were only allowed into the rally after signing a pledge to support Shrubya!! :o :P :\'( :-X

The VERY first thing that popped into my head was
"Who does he think he is? Hitler and the Repubs are the SS?" That is what it sounded like to me. I was quite horrified. It comes off like you must be a card carring member of the elephants to be considered a citizen or patriotic.  >:(

And not to name names, Ocean, but it is Cold Stone Creamery that holds my secrets!!  ::)

Beatnik   8)

Ocean

September 24, 2004, 06:47:19 pm #27 Last Edit: September 24, 2004, 07:08:18 pm by Ocean
Cold Stone hmmm!? Now we know! ;) They just opened in this area, so I\'ll have to check out their Sundae\'s and pelt the attendant with the nut\'s in your honor!

*cough* After I\'m arrested for nutty assault, please forward Klondike bars to my cell. ;)

I was not aware of that GOP violation, until I read your reply. Then I did a google news search and didn\'t find anything related to that story. :(  can you post it or PM a link to me!? *lifts tray, holding one  large banana split* Please!? ;)

It\'s not all that surprising really.  Extremists are hard pressed to live in peace unless everyone see\'s the world the way they do!
 :-X

Since I had to edit anyway and for your consideration: Polling Report.com (Link: http://www.pollingreport.com)
"An independent, nonpartisan resource
on trends in American public opinion."




*edit because the system initially edited the word "Klondike"!?* (It did not do this during the "preview")

We\'re kidding here, right!? :o
**Just checked after posting the edit. No we\'re not kidding!  :-/ Ice cream censorship! The shame, the shame!
:D

sngwthme

I have been following this post since the beginning and find it so fascinating that you all have this information that you have shared. Not saying of course that I doubted anyone would have this knowledg,e but to know that I have joined amongst such strong and independent thinkers such as yourselves is very exciting. I live a very happy and simple life and  try not to take anything for granted knowing that there is so much out there to experience in such a short amount of time. I mean I can\'t get through a day without doing a million things or else it seems worthless. But one thing that I have neglected myself is the ability to use my voice. Yeah ok so I am a singer but what I mean is ... well....I registered to vote today.
This has been something that has weighed on my mind for the last ..well.. 14 years as I became eligible to vote.
But this last four years my mind has carried a heavy weight on the subject indeed. Especially after I watched in utter disgust at the last presidential election, as it was stolen and found my jaw on the floor for days.
What has stopped me till the last minuet you ask, well I don't rightly know. Even as I received my drivers license renewal 5 months ago and it asked the question, "do you want to register to vote?"  would you know that I sat on that renewal pondering that specific question almost to the day that my license would have expired?. I still however sent it in with a no, without being able to give an explanation even to myself.
So why now? Well, its simple.. I figured out that watching this world falling apart...enough is enough.
I am a selfish human being sometimes, but to think that my abilities to do as I please and ask questions about things that make no sense could be taken away or limited is unacceptable to me. I will read the books I want to read and I will listen to the music I want to listen to and I will paint what I want to and write what I want, I will get in my truck and drive across MY country as freely as I wish to and talk to people from all walks of life and learn what I want to learn and encourage others to find their own likes and dislikes and I could go on forever here but to make sure these things, these precious things that make us who we are, are still available to me and my family, friends etc., that is something only I can do.
So there you have it, my name is SNGWTHME and I am selfish and I just registered to vote!

Ocean



Thank You SNGWTHME, for registering your voice to the solidarity of freedom! We are stronger now, by one! Re~

 :)