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Started by Bucketdog, January 20, 2011, 02:16:35 am

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Silverado

As a 40 year old fan of Buckey,  I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies.  I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material.  All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more.  However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record?  The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there!  The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me.  Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans.  Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD.   I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!  

SheMouse

January 20, 2011, 09:57:30 pm #16 Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 10:03:49 pm by SheMouse
Not going to lie, I used to download lots of music. I\'d have thousands of songs on my iPod, plenty of artists... Not a single thing had been payed for. And while that\'s awful and wrong and thievery, it gets people to do stuff like go to concerts. Now, when I discovered Buckethead was when I decided I was going to start paying for all of my music, and had realized the error of my previous ways. Now I save up money to buy new albums and everything, but my iPod is barren. That irks a lot of people, and as mentioned before, it\'s probably not going to stop any time soon. Many times, there\'s no way to trace the originator of a torrent. Even if they\'ve got an account on a website, they probably use dozens of proxies just so they won\'t get caught. Then you\'d have to contact each of the people who continue to seed the torrent, etc, etc.

Many of the people who claim to be true fans and haven\'t bought a single damn album try to back it up with things like "They don\'t even make that much money from a CD, anyways! It\'s all from merchandise and concerts!". It\'s not going to stop, unfortunately. The only thing we can positively do is continue to purchase albums and merchandise, and not download things. :s

Just doing to add a little bit here: The reason a lot of people are driven to downloading is the cost of albums. Actual CDs, when you\'re a student or have little income and you\'re trying to split money between lots of things, cost a considerable amount of money. People see downloading as a heaven-sent way to enjoy music. You can get itunes-quality downloads, but for free. That include album artwork, song titles, name of the artist, genre, basically everything. When you\'re broke, and you love music it seems like a pretty good thing, and most people don\'t realize that they\'re depriving musicians of the money they deserve. I know I didn\'t. Then I got Spinal Clock (first Buckethead CD I got, signed. #360), I did some reading on what downloading does and haven\'t downloaded a single thing since. I do suffer pangs of sadness when I turn on my iPod and only have 26 songs on there, but I feel morally OK since I paid for those. Most people do not give a damn about morals.

firefitz

QuoteAs a 40 year old fan of Buckey,  I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies.  I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material.  All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more.  However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record?  The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there!  The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me.  Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans.  Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD.   I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!  
word............ i am 42 and also old school,

DroidHunter13

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I was also raised religious and i hate when people think atheists are retards. I am now one of them, and i know i dont know much but i dont think im retard, and all of the people ive met are not retards as well. Maybe there is a problem with the validity of your asumption.


"I can stand the idea of God, Its his fan club that i hate" :P
I dont atheists are retards..i just got mad when i saw what those people put on the link. I didnt mean to call you guys retards for bein atheist..if thats what you believe, im fine with it..it just makes me mad when they put down God

ilikeheadcheese

QuoteAs a 40 year old fan of Buckey,  I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies.  I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material.  All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more.  However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record?  The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there!  The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me.  Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans.  Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD.   I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!  

I agree with everything you said, except for the 40 year old part.  I\'m 18 ;D
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Silverado

QuoteNot going to lie, I used to download lots of music. I\'d have thousands of songs on my iPod, plenty of artists... Not a single thing had been payed for. And while that\'s awful and wrong and thievery, it gets people to do stuff like go to concerts. Now, when I discovered Buckethead was when I decided I was going to start paying for all of my music, and had realized the error of my previous ways. Now I save up money to buy new albums and everything, but my iPod is barren. That irks a lot of people, and as mentioned before, it\'s probably not going to stop any time soon. Many times, there\'s no way to trace the originator of a torrent. Even if they\'ve got an account on a website, they probably use dozens of proxies just so they won\'t get caught. Then you\'d have to contact each of the people who continue to seed the torrent, etc, etc.

Many of the people who claim to be true fans and haven\'t bought a single damn album try to back it up with things like "They don\'t even make that much money from a CD, anyways! It\'s all from merchandise and concerts!". It\'s not going to stop, unfortunately. The only thing we can positively do is continue to purchase albums and merchandise, and not download things. :s

Just doing to add a little bit here: The reason a lot of people are driven to downloading is the cost of albums. Actual CDs, when you\'re a student or have little income and you\'re trying to split money between lots of things, cost a considerable amount of money. People see downloading as a heaven-sent way to enjoy music. You can get itunes-quality downloads, but for free. That include album artwork, song titles, name of the artist, genre, basically everything. When you\'re broke, and you love music it seems like a pretty good thing, and most people don\'t realize that they\'re depriving musicians of the money they deserve. I know I didn\'t. Then I got Spinal Clock (first Buckethead CD I got, signed. #360), I did some reading on what downloading does and haven\'t downloaded a single thing since. I do suffer pangs of sadness when I turn on my iPod and only have 26 songs on there, but I feel morally OK since I paid for those. Most people do not give a damn about morals.
I think you\'re not alone in this world of random downloading..but it\'s great that you understand the underlying affects.  Most artists are minions of a record company which exploit artists..chewing them up and spitting them out afer they have felched all of their creativity.  That\'s what\'s so profound about an artist like Big B and TDRS in that they are essentially the artists and record company!  Brilliant in my opinion!  And all of their hard work and talent is shared directly with the fans reasonably priced!

robotpie3000

QuoteAs a 40 year old fan of Buckey,  I would prefer to have the original CD..and I have over 75.. none of which are burned copies.  I still have all my albums from the 70\'s, cassettes from the 80\'s and early 90\'s and very little burnt material.  All of the burnt material was given to me by friends to turn me on to something new...and if I like\'d the artist I\'d buy more.  However as technology advances so do the ways in which music is obtained..I live in a small town where there is no record store..did I say record?  The only place to buy music is Wal-Mart or K-mart...not much to choose from there!  The internet is obviously how I buy music...but it seems the new way to get music is by downloading..effective but not for me.  Not only do the artists suffer but so do the fans.  Where\'s the artwork, song titles, list of band members, credits and thanks to on a burnt CD.   I know I\'m old school but I\'d hate to see all that disappear..like the need for paper, or hand writing or cash!  

nice im not even 20 and i prefer to buy the physical CD\'s even though they cost more. I just feel better being able to hold it, and if you have a collection it feels that whenever you buy a CD, your collection grows and grows. but i do import songs into i tunes so i have both music on computer and in the disc.

Bucketfel

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I dont atheists are retards..i just got mad when i saw what those people put on the link. I didnt mean to call you guys retards for bein atheist..if thats what you believe, im fine with it..it just makes me mad when they put down God

Lol, i know what you mean but like you, they can and will voice their unfounded opinion as well. XD


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Bucketdog

January 21, 2011, 04:37:43 pm #23 Last Edit: January 21, 2011, 04:41:59 pm by Bucketdog
^^^^ do as you say... Keep your thoughts to yourself. I am certainly gonna be quiet in this instance, even though I find the end of your post offensive... There is no point of debating. It just brings unnessacary aggravation. If there is one thing all religons should live by it\'s, "live and let die". Imposing is not cool for anyone to do.
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39reasons

Quote:-X not sure how to word this without getting flamed but here it goes...

I really don\'t see why some people get so upset by this. In my opinion these people who upload the music are doing it for bragging rites and the peple who download the torrented BH albums would not be buying them anyway, they just like to say "I have 100,000 artists on my ipod, how many do you have?" Most would never buy his albums so BH really doesn\'t lose any money, but he is gaining exposure. Also it may work in reverse - a few may say "whoa, I want the physical album" in which case BH actually will make money off them.

To fight it, Buck and Travis would have to expend lots of time energy and money - and there is no guarantee that would help prevent this from continuing to happen. And what a drain, it would absolutely take away from the music making process. What we can do as fans is communicate in a civil fashion that what they are doing is disrespectful to the artist and if they are going to continue uploading albums they should also make available donation information to help compensate the artist for his work, education goes a long way.

Then you get the people who buy the current cds, burn them and resell them. Not to mention all the counterfeit t-shirts, photos, mouse pads, watches, banners and the like. Those may actually be taking more dollars away from Buck and Travis than anything else.

But this is coming from a music fan, not someone in the music industry, Travis has talked about this issue in the past and to my recollection he said there is no viable solution at the present time to combat it.


I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them.  No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either.  Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).

Bucketdog

January 21, 2011, 04:48:14 pm #25 Last Edit: January 21, 2011, 04:49:57 pm by Bucketdog
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I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them.  No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either.  Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).
that\'s a good point. However, we all know deep inside that downloading is still stealing. If you actually pay for the material in one way shape or form it\'s more justifiable. Unless all the downloading sites are shut down, all the assholes "sharing" stop the crap or an encryption code is implemented  into the CDs we will never see the end of this crap.
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ElectricInfinity

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I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them.  No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either.  Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).

If you think about it, most eBay transactions are justifiable (unless someone is making unauthorized copies by burning the CD(s) and selling them as "original"). The person who is selling the item, like anyone else would, initially has to buy it from a seller or supplier. So the profit share goes to the artist as such...and the artist does not lose anything.

However, what some people try to do is to "re-sell" which is OK too. There is no harm done in that (they might have not liked the purchase, or they have a profit-making motive, etc etc). In that sense, the artist still does not get robbed of any profit.

If you think that its the over-priced sale price that is unfair... well, that is not a crime either. That person is probably just trying to profit (business-oriented mind) and like I said, the artist doesn\'t get robbed...its the buyer who might :P If they trust an original source they might find it cheaper and faster too....but different people have different reasons. Keep in mind that most of these eBay sellers are probably private sellers too, so they don\'t usually have bulk quantities and might not have the proper facility to package (S&H), and the price they\'re placing on that single item is, I\'d say almost equivalent, if not less than the profit that a bulk supplier/seller might get if they sold by piece.

Some buyers might also, not trust the idea of buying directly from an original source...they might think it will cost more, or for security reasons, you never know. I\'m not a business major or anything, but it does not need careful reasoning to know that markets can be a crazy place :D

Just to probably clarify that issue for you :)
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I\'ve always wondered how purchasing CDs from eBay is any different than illegally downloading them.  No artist gets any money from an eBay transaction either.  Why is it legal to buy music from eBay, but not to download it off the internet? (I don\'t download, but I do eBay).

Well, obviously because the artist received money for it at one point in time. If it\'s a "used" CD, common sense dictates that it was purchased "new" somewhere along the line. The artist received their cut then, as opposed to never when you illegally download.

There is zero comparison between buying a used CD and illegally downloading music.

Bucketdog

^^^ this +10000000000
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Bucketdog

This shit just warms my heart knowing my fellow bots loyalty to buckethead and Travis. I hope they know we give a shit, play are part in not condoning this thievery and strive to make sure they get taken care of for their efforts. They deserve it, as we deserve to be taken care of for our own hard work.
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