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TDRS artists, music and related topics / Thanatopsis "Requiem"
« on: March 17, 2015, 04:36:01 PM »

Update! Now available for pre-order here:!/Thanatopsis-Requiem-pre-order/p/48327127/category=813535

Allow 6 weeks for shipping but it could be much less.

What started out as another "When will Axiology be repressed?" question, and the vinyl release option, got me thinking about the Thanatopsis CD's and CD's in general. As has been talked about here many times, CDs have reached the end of their usefulness, at least as far as independent and alternative music releases go. Still, I hate to see these and any of my catalog go out of print. The problem comes after the first pressing sells out the market is saturated and it's ones and two's at a time after that, there is no economic incentive to repress.
So, they are left as download only. Still there is always somebody asking for the CD.

I was looking into remixing Axiology for vinyl and opened some hard drives I hadn't loaded for 10 years and was quite amazed at what I found. Thanatopsis projects were never recorded in the conventional sense, start to finish each CD as a whole. They were always multiple ideas that started out a bits and pieces and fleshed out over time till I had a sense they were done. Then when there were enough to release a CD, I pressed one. What I found was a bunch of tracks in various states of completion left behind. I thought I had used the last of these Thanatopsis tracks on "Left Hanging".  But when I started opening the files and listening I was really enjoying the vibe and performances that were left behind. So I started messing with them. I was a real nostalgic trip. I time traveled back 10 to 15 years and got into it as I always did. It was fun and I very much like what came of it. There is the unmistakable sound of Thanatopsis, you can hear Axiology and Anatomize and even a little Dragons of Eden as the tracks go forward in time. I ended up with about 7 tracks, about 40 minutes of music.

So, here's my idea. It used to be that a Thanatopsis CDs would sell around 400 copies in the first few months of release. I have no idea what the demand would be now. I want to use the sales of this CD to save the others. If I can sell 100, I'll pay for the pressing. If I can sell 200, I'll repress Axiology. If I can sell 300, I'll press the Axiology vinyl. If that generates any more sales then I will repress the first Thanatopsis CD since there is just a handful left in stock. That will insure there will be Thahatopsis CDs available for at least the rest of my life.

So, I will probably offer a pre-sale of the new Thanatopsis with about a 6 week time frame to ship. I may put a track up to listen to but I'm undecided, it might be fun to just drop the whole thing. I'll add a track listing and pre-order information here as soon as I get things lined up for pressing. I'm still mulling it over and I'll listen to any feedback or ideas concerning any of this.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / cleaning up
« on: March 01, 2015, 05:19:05 PM »
I will probably start merging Pikes announcements to the topic Buckethead Pikes just to tidy up the board. You don't necessarily have to post an announcement there but eventually I'll move them just to clean things up.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Buckethead Pikes
« on: March 01, 2015, 05:09:44 PM »
I will start merging Pikes announcements here to this topic just to tidy up the board. You don't necessarily have to post an announcement here but eventually I'll move them here just to clean things up.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: les filles dans les nuages
« on: February 17, 2015, 10:29:22 PM »
I know, it's hard to believe. I have two fantastic projects, this one with DJ and one I've been working on with Vince for years. I really like them both.  It's just been resources both finical and time and life, getting in the way. This stuff takes so much work, time and everyone clicking together without any compensation it's just hard.
It's like that project in your garage, you know, you have the tarp over it and every once in a while you lift the tarp and go, wow, i really need to work on this and then you need to work for real instead. I really appreciate your encouragement. I'll have another look under the tarp.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: February 15, 2015, 08:51:06 PM »

Just to get back on track. Different guitar and piano takes.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: February 04, 2015, 01:30:06 AM »
Again, and maybe again. We are only talking about TDRSmusic records here.  Thanatopsis, Dragons of Eden, Chicken Noodles, like that. I don't own the rights to those other records, never have.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 29, 2015, 11:17:57 PM »
A couple of points to cover. Some of these are points made here and some to those sending me ideas by email. I've mentioned this about Kickstarter before. In fact all of this has been gone over a number of times trying to repress CD's. I'm not big on Kickstarter. As was mentioned above, it might be fine if you have a big enough fan base to cover Kickstarter's take. I know it's hard to believe for a lot of you but we have a really small fan base to start with. Now we are talking about people who actually buy things, a sub base of that fan base and a product of limited interest to them.  I think probably a couple of hundred buyers at most.

I know Population Override was pressed at 1000 and it may do well, but I think there will be a lot of left over records or a lot of stock for a long time. The CD is a slow seller having saturated it's fan base long ago.  Population Override could easily have been called Thanatopsis, or Dragons of Eden or some band name, but through a twist of fate ION was owed a record and I had one, so it's the only collaboration to be called a "Buckethead" record and the only one I did that left my label. Just by virtue of that, it gets way more attention than Thanatopsis and I have no control of it. So comparing them doesn't work in terms of prospects. It may do better than I think. But for me I have this little body of work that is really tricky to decide  how I should address my limited resources in terms of what to do with it.

Really the easiest and cheapest thing would be do nothing. It's easy to get carried away by the enthusiasm of 42 really great people who have supported me and a lot of I have known for years. And I'm doing the reductionist math here, 42 people saying in a poll they will buy 2 translates to how many actual pre-sales? I hear you about trying to spread the word more then just this forum, but really, the way the internet works, just a post here spreads and there are posts about this in lots of forums and Facebook and so on. In fact my off hand remark about PO vinyl a few posts back  is probably responsible for any sales its getting now. I'm pretty sure any real interest will make it's way here if it's real.  I'm taking all of this into account. The poll is only to gauge the interest and I can extrapolate the real interest just observing whats goes on here.

So the poll is only a test to see if it's worth pre-selling the LP. Thats what I would do, but up a page, describe what I'm going to make and ask those to buy it now and hopefully take possession in a few months.  We have been here before, to repress "Buckethead" CDs not Thanatopsis and the market was saturated by the first pressing and so little enough demand to justify a repress.

I know this is a little different and I really would love to do this and it's kind of fun collaborating with you all to try to brainstorm a way to do something we all kind of want.
I'm not here to make money on this, I never have, so why start now. If I can just cover the costs I would do it. If I made a profit, I would just press something else with it. I do not want to pre-sell 42 or 62 LPs and have to go through the laborious banking task of returning the money.

This started by, as I often am, being asked "when will Axiology (or insert out of press record here) get repressed". In the end, it's no big deal, an obscure little record on an even more obscure label trying to drum up enough interest to resurrect itself for one more little splash of attention. But there is something cool and old school rock and roll about it.

So, I'll let it ride. This will either gain some momentum and we will have vinyl or it will peter out all together.
In the meantime, I'm digging around the old mixes and looking for interesting unreleased bits and just seeing what kind of package I could but together just in case it doesn't.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 27, 2015, 10:34:14 PM »
Thank you for the reminder we are talking TDRSmusic releases, so the list of possible CDs from above there would be zero I could press. Not my records.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 27, 2015, 09:29:00 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions.  I'm not a big fan of compilation albums ( Left Hanging was more a collection). I make albums and Axiology was definitely thought out to play as a whole. My Affection for albums comes from the vinyl era, so its a bit ironic. So I hate to break it out. But thats an idea with merit. I think if I remember 10" holds 12 minutes a side before the sound goes all to hell.  So, still a little shy and I did look into it, not much cheaper by the time you factor in printed goods. Also there are fewer places that do it, my preferred place doesn't handle 10". But, I'm not knocking any of this down, I appreciate the feedback.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 27, 2015, 08:24:23 PM »
Yeah, it is an album. I think I would feel short changed to buy a version with a track or two missing.  What tracks would you lose? Probably my favorites.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 27, 2015, 05:16:32 PM »

This may have got a release on vinyl after all. I did find a listing for a 2-LP edition with 6 bonus tracks on Amazon from dolphywas1/Ion Records. It would appear they did add material for a 2-disc special edition:

Thanks for the info. Norman asked me last year if I had any more material from the PO sessions he could use on the vinyl. I didn't so looks like he padded it with some Cobra Strike and other ION records. That's kind of too bad because I don't consider those related at all. But I have no stake in the PO record having given up the recording as a favor ( long story  for another day). I hadn't heard anything about the final outcome, he doesn't maintain an ION website as far as I know.  So it's interesting to see it's appearance on Amazon.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 27, 2015, 02:47:30 PM »
What would that be?

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 27, 2015, 12:28:12 AM »
No need to apologize, I appreciate your thoughtful reply.  The more feedback i get the better to allow me to judge the  real interest in this. 

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 26, 2015, 10:30:52 PM »
I'm keeping an eye on this. The numbers are about what I thought they would be. I know many have said they were in for multiples and I've had many private messages about even more. I have taken all that into account by the number I was shooting for. I really need to see about 100 people including those who say they would buy more than one before I'm willing to consider a pre-buy. I know from past experience how voting actually translates to buying.

I appreciate the enthusiasm of those posting here. I really have a lot of affection for these records and I really enjoy seeing there is still a lot of regard for them by those that are driving this.

I still have a healthy skepticism about such a small fan bases willingness to buy an object of even smaller support, that is vinyl. I have seen that its mostly as a collectors item in that a lot of people don't even have turntables or express an interest in framing them and putting them on a wall. It seems a poster would be a better bet than vinyl but I understand, it's a collector thing.

I have gotten a lot of mail with ideas for how to do this and how successful it will be, but I don't think they appreciate how small the fan base that actually buys things is. We are talking a few hundred people and now reduce that to those interested in Thanatopsis and reduce that to those interested in vinyl and you get the idea. Don't get me wrong. I would love to see this but I also don't need to spend money to store a bunch of vinyl in my storage room with a lot of other boxes of CDs gathering dust.

I have been looking into this in terms of the actual nuts and bolts of whats involved. There are some problems and we might as well go over those so I can see if anyone has a preference or at least to bring to light some of the hurdles yet to be overcome.

I went over the masters for Axiology. For some reason I was thinking it was a bit more that 40 minutes long. It's more like 54. This is a problem for vinyl. The ideal length for vinyl is about 18 minutes per side. As the length increases the depth of the grooves have to become less deep and bass is limited. At some point the record won't even track or will sound bad. Even if the whole CD could be put on one disc it would be far from the audiophile experience you would hope for by going vinyl. It may be done and I'm looking into it, but who would give up a good sounding record for the affordability of a single poor sounding disc. Maybe you would if your just going to hang to on your wall.  The other option would be to go for a double album and include some material not on the original and might as well go all out top of the line everything, 180 gram, gatefold jacket and art, signed numbered, limited total collectors item. Sounds great? $50 per disc 100 people pre-buy minimum to make it happen.  So you see, it's always something.

This is a problem for a lot of CDs going to vinyl. After vinyl, records became much longer and most of the Thanatopsis as well as Chicken Noodles and Dragons of Eden fall into this category. I know ION records was planning a Population Override vinyl and ran into these same issues. So they were contemplating a double album but that may have been too much trouble so I'm not sure what became of it. It's been over a year since I heard anything.

If you have an opinion, leave it here, I'm still listening.

TDRS artists, music and related topics / Re: Axiology Repress?
« on: January 14, 2015, 04:53:00 PM »
I've added a poll just to get some idea of demand before I commit to anything.
I don't want to pre-sell anything because the last time I did we came way short and I'm still out of pocket on the repress I did anyway. Also, I don't want to collect money and have to refund 30 or 40 transactions. I would need  75 to 100 people say they would commit, then I would need 75 to actually pre-buy a repress. I really don't think there is anywhere close to that demand but for the sake of those that are encouraging me and would like to see something happen, I'll at least explore the idea.

If there is an interest in vinyl, It would probably be a pressing of 200 only as a commemoration of Axiology's 10th anniversary. I would probably remix it to tape and remaster for vinyl and do a 180 gram pressing. I might sign and number the editions sold to the pre-sale buyer, something like that.

The poll above has an option to just repress the CD, that might be the most practical option for most people who want to actually listen to the record, but I just don't know. I think most people who are interested in Thanatopsis have the CD, but i may be surprised, let's see.

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