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I heard about this and had to find it myself. It appears that Laura Bush is not so innocent either:

www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e1698.htm

Interesting.

Beatnik  

I just typed a huge responce to you Ocean, but unfortunatly the board gave em an error message that it was too long and to shorten it, and when tohe post box came back my entire post was gone.

Here was my gist:

Kerry\'s coments about the war were not meant to put down the troops, as Shrub would have you believe. His comments were to illustrate that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. That the troops should be in Afganistan, tracking down Osma. After all it can\'t be too difficult to find a 60 year old man dragging a Kidney Dialysis machine throught the mountians. The troops areint he wrong country. We NEVER should have gone into Iraq.
I support the troops, but abhor the war. They are following orders and dying because there was never a full plan. Yes I think their lives are being wasted by Shrubya the war monger!!

Read former Secretary of the Treasury O\'Neils book. Bush wanted to go to war from the first week of his presidency. A full 9 months prior to 9/11.

Shrubya won\'t pay them decently, has yet to extend medical benefits to the reservists, who come back wounded and maimed. But we don\'t hear about those numbers do we??

Yes, I think Kerry would do better, because when he orders troops to go fight he knows first hand what it is like. Shrubya was too busy drinking and doing drugs, being sheltered by his rich family, and was too self centered to serve his country.

And now Shrub sends off the poor and middle class to go die for bull @#it reasons! Look at who comprises the military. The only rich people are the ones that got to the Academcy, and come out Officers. It\'s still the rich deciding who is going to die.

Beatnik  

I agree, it\'s got the conversations of the country returning to THE ISSUES. What are the real causes of the problem? Don\'t treat the symptoms of the problem, treat the cause of the problem! Kerry clearly explained how he would deal with the actual causes. While Shrubya just had a blank look on his face. It is easy to see that Bush will just never listen to the country about how WE think foreign policy should be handled. I believe that Kerry will listen to the country, even if he makes a different decision, he will take everything into consideration.  

I love how Kery said [glb]"BACK DOOR DRAFT"[/glb] too too true.  
And [glb]"COLLOSAL ERROR IN JUDGEMENT"[/glb] I was hopping up and down on my sofa!!

Beatnik  

Ocean - Such hopeless cynicysm can only doom us to the negative. If one only sees the negative, then only negative will come. I believe that i am a realist. I try to balance preparation for bad, with hope for good. Have I been disappointed? Sure, but I have been pleasantly surprised as well. If everyone got so disgusted and did not vote, then the small minded minority is sure to win.

gkg - I agree that the Green Party has become a republican funded puppet. It\'s a shame and a sham. Very sad to see such an idealistic group of people used openly by their ideological advasaries. You would think they\'d be quick enough to catch on. It is too much to hope that Repubs are so disgusted by Bush that they would support Nader  rather than for Kerry so they can lie and say they voted, but not for the opposition.

After just watching the dog and pony debates, cause let\'s face it it IS all we have. I was overcome with joyful feelings of hope as I watched Kerry wipe the floor with Shrubya, without so much of a hair out of place. Regardless of how rigged it is, I do think that Kerry was extremely well spoken, he used EVERY SECOND of his time to state his platform. I found his statement of securing all the nuclear grade materials in 4 years, as daring as Kennedy saying we\'d put a man on the moon in however many years. (sorry folks it was before me, so I have only seen clips.) Bold move, which I am sure was meant  conjour images of JFK, Camalot, and better days.  Now, it is truely evident that Kerry is now working with the former Clinton people. And it worked before. Now lets face it, (all Zipper Gate and White Water aside, the Clinton years were pretty good in hind sight. Smart move. I beleive that Shrubya will definitely reduce the debates to 2 total, he looked so BAD! He stammered and stuttered, had long pauses, lots of "ummms" and "ahhhs"  and I was so distrated during his closing commets by all that blinking!! It was bordering on OCD!! Shrubya kept trying to talk in circles (mostly because his mind is stuck in a never ending idiot loop) and Kerry kept calling him out. Even if there is only one more debate Kerry has won the election.  

Especially because all the of the havoc in Florida has so screwed them logistically for the election, that Jeb won\'t be able to help out this time. Hey, that puts me to mind, does anyone know what Neil Bush is up to? You know the OTHER brother. The one that was on the BoD\'s of the first 5 banks to fail in the S & L failures, you know the one that George Sr. pardoned while he was Pres.

The Bush\'s are such an upstanding white collar criminal  family!!    

[glb]Beatnik[/glb]

You\'ll love the following link!!!

  Crawford Texas News paper Endorses Kerry!

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040928_873.html

Can\'t wait for tonight!!

Beatnik  

Ocean,

Thank you for all the links regarding the debates. I am not suprised about the audio cues for Shrubya, it seems he can\'t answer questons with out script, and sometimes he can\'t even with one!

I must apologize, the articles for the NY Times I spoke of, have been sent on to my Aunt who lives in Greece. My mother - who had them - thought we were done with them. So I don\'t have dates and by lines to reference, to search by. We now have a new batch of them, and I promise to get those links up, so that you may all read them. Again my sincere apologies.  :-/

I am looking forward to the debates, as I believe that they will boost the Kerry/Edwards ticket into November.

Beatnik  

Dear SNGWTME - I am very flattered by your praise - there is my selfishness. But more importnatly, thank you for registering to vote and joining in the debate!!

Darling Ocean - Don\'t blame me when you get arrested for "nutty assault"! Currently my Mother has the article - I will get the date and by line and see if I can find it in the NY Times  online and give you the link here, for additional articles as well that i have not yet mentioned.

Goddess gkg - I\'m sure your childhood holds many tales, both in growing up in Brazil in the 60\'s as well as your assimilation into the American culture. I\'m also sure that there were many children who were less than kind about your accent, and made it difficult for you to fit in. I myself, was the kid everyone picked on. Couldn\'t tell could you!   Because of that experience, I believe that is why I have never "conformed" to what other people thought I should be. I am SO thankful I eventully gave up trying to fit in. Conforming with your personality is the same as conforming your thoughts. Otherwise I might have become a mindless line towing zombie. I have a much more interesting group of friends, from all persuations and walks of life.

I am enjoying this forum board so very much because of all of you wonderfully inteligent , humorous people.  

Most of all, thank you Travis for getting this set up!! I am so glad I stumbled upon all of you!!  

Beatnik  

That is really apalling. That the library system does not prosecute them, I had them come after me on a book of colonial Lousiana history! (btw - I am a history fanatic)

You\'ll love this tid bit then...

In an article from the NY Times, I was reported tht at a rally in either Kansas or Oklahome (don\'t have it with me at the moment), shortly before the Repub National Convention, that people were only allowed into the rally after signing a pledge to support Shrubya!! :\'(

The VERY first thing that popped into my head was
"Who does he think he is? Hitler and the Repubs are the SS?" That is what it sounded like to me. I was quite horrified. It comes off like you must be a card carring member of the elephants to be considered a citizen or patriotic.  

And not to name names, Ocean, but it is Cold Stone Creamery that holds my secrets!!  

Beatnik  

Censorship in ART!  

Makes me sick. I had thought that was a protected form of free speach under the first amendment. Oops! I forgot, it almost doesn\'t exist anymore.  

It is a horror, what is happening. Next they will go back to book burnings, starting I am sure with Kitty Kelly\'s new book on the Shrub family! If he steals anohter 4 years I will move out of the US and become an expatriot untill our rights are restored. OK, maybe that is xtreme. Even with the ills brougt on in the last 4 years, I suppose we still have it best. Scary thought!

Ocean - if we want to get REALLY messy we can throw chocolate sundays! But no nuts, they sting! ROFL

Beatnik  

Ocean - you are too funny! I will throw eclairs at you if you return the favor!! Then we can pig out!  

I had a long road with my husband , who used to claim he was a repub, but could not back it up by clear opinions that follow the elephant platform. He was basically bullied by his troglodyte father into think that he was. What a hard job it wsa to free his mind, to find his own opinions.

Then an intersting thing happened. I got laid off. I was with Morgan Stanley for almost 4 years and got caught in the 3rd round of layoffs related to 911. (they were the LARGEST tenat in the trade centers - 1 million sq feet) Then just after 6 months of looking, I landed my current job (corporate trainer for La-Z-Boy). 6 weeks after I started, he lost his job, as the restaurant closed. He was out of work for 9 months, until recently he went back to school to finish his bachelors,  as he has seen first hand how that hurt his search.

So we apply for aide to send him to school. Our estimated per person income was about $15,400, as we had only one paycheck between us. Arizona state, Vermont state, and the federal government turned us down. They were willing to give us loans... yeah no thanks we have enough debt. His repub father threw a fit, because we turned to his deep pockets to pay for it. So my newly educated husband - who is now a registered Dem, said "It is because of Bush - he underfunded education by like 12 BILLION dollars. Bush\'s veiw of higher education is that if you can afford it - you don\'t go, which is fine because the HAVES and the HAVE MORES need servants!" Wow, he was pissed to say the least! I was so proud.

He realises that not voting or paying attention, the country went to hell in a hand basket mighty quick. He understands how it effects him personally. I will continue to raise the conciousness of those who will listen. But it is damn hard getting their heads pulled out of the ground!

Three purple hearts trumps two DUI\'s!

Cheney, Bush and Ashcroft, the REAL axis of evil!

If you aren\'t totally appalled - you have not been paying attention!

4 Years was good enough for his father!

Rock the vote!!

Beatnik  

Ocean - I BEG YOU TO VOTE!! :\'(

I understand that it seems we always have to choose the lesser of 2 evils. But that IS politics. Every politician lies to some extent, oviously some more than others. But not to vote?! That is the attitdue that will get Bush back in for another 4 years. If you must dissent in the voting process, cast it for Nader! (if he actually gets on any ballots - with Repub funding no less -that is another tirade) The repubs want to sooo discourage sooo many from voting - because they know that is the only way to win the election.  Thsi country will NOT tolerate another stolen election - and I promote absolute rioting if they do. Not that I think Gore was a good choice - but he couldn\'t have been WORSE than Bush.

What the REAL discussion should be, is why isn\'t / hasn\'t Cngress changed the Constituion regarding elections? Let\'s face it - the true beauty of our Constituion is the ability to add and amend it.

[glb]THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS NO LONGER NECCESSARY!!![/glb]

It made sense when it was written in the late 18th century, as there really was NO mass communication. But folks we are in the information age!! It should be the popular vote that carries the winner into the Oval office and nothing else!!

Or if we can\'t agree on getting rid of it all together, than have the electoral votes SPLIT between candidates. It is absurd that a candidate can win by a margin of 1% and take ALL the electoral votes for that state. That does NOT represent the true populace vote of the constitents in that state does it?
Personally I have signed up to cast a [glb]PAPER BALLOT. [/glb]

The computerized voting machines have no paper records for a recount!! An the repubs are conting on that again as they did in FL in 2000. Besides, the computer code is so badly written in these computers that it would not take much to tamper with them just enought to skew results.

[glb]So here is my PAPER BALLOT! Recount this Bubba!!![/glb]

ROCK THE VOTE!!

Beatnik  

As long as Bubba remains in the oval office we can continue to watch our rights - especially FREE SPEACH - circle the bowl.

I have recently read some articles sent by a friend back in NYC from the NY Times.  For the Repub Convention, the ONLY permit for demonstration that was issued and allowed to be directly across the street was.... wait for it.... Right to Lifers. EVERYONE else was resticted to stay at least 8 city blocks away!! Since when can the governmentt tell us where and when free and peaceful assembly can take place. What did they think that the groups that practice civil disobedience were going to go against their entire ideology and beat Bush to death with their Berkinstocks??  

The FBI went to the leaders of the most prominet and active protest groups and intimidated many to staying away from NY during the convention.

That the FL state police under the direction of Bubba\'s brother - you know the one, the govenor that helped him steal the 2000 election - the one with the VICATIN addicted daughter - to harrass the leaders in the black community to not rally the black vote in FL. So that they can try to steal another election.

Having been a former NYer, I really USED to like Giuliani. He was a good mayor. There were more cops and less crime. I was positively ill at his comments at the convention. (as much as I was disgusted- it\'s like a bad car accident- you have to look).  The sad truth is that Giuliani, like the Bush administration remains locked into nation/state thinking. Terrorism is like communism, they seem to think, and you defeat it by flipping counties into the freedom collum. In fact, it has become a sort of "hidden hand" belief on a par with faith that free markets cure all woes. "The hatred and anger in the middle east arises form the lack of responsible governments," Giuliani said. Freedom will defeat terrorists, "The long term answer to ending global terrorism is goverments that are free and accountable." Tell that to the families of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing!

I was raised in the church of politics. I was taken to my first protest rally (No Nukes) when I was 6. I have marched in NY 3 times and on Washington twice, and never have I heard of such abuses to the 1st Amendment. I thought that all ended with thepassing of the Miranda Act and the Equal Rights Amendment. The Bush administration has dragged us back into one of the worst episodes of our domestic history of the last century. If he successfully STEALS another election, I will protest so loudly from AZ right up to the BARRICADES in front of the White House. And they can arrest me if they want to, but I will NEVER stop speaking my mind!

[glb]Pinko Liberal Commie Democrat[/glb]Beatnik  

Equipment?
Ass Kissing?

Quotehidden crevasses waiting to be plunged into

??  

Sounds like gkg and SNGWTHME has other things on the brain!

<giggling>

Beatnik

My copy of Please Tomorrow just arrived today.

After a long day of training, and aggrevation by my in laws, I put in the tray and sat back to listen.
A beautiful experiment in sound. It took me to a place of peace and calm,and caused my mind to wander to more plesant plains of thought.
[glb]Bravo! Bravo![/glb]

The only other thing I can say is ....

[glb]Please More!!![/glb]

Beatnik  

Dylan is a master poet. But I never much cared for the voice. I think it has to do with long car trips to my grandmothers, when I was young, with my folks blasting Dylan in the car.... that voice makes an impression on a youngster.

Enjoy the concert! And do post us a report, and a play list too!

Beatnik