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Title: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Travis on April 22, 2011, 05:20:30 PM
Since the store was changed and out of stock CDs are not displayed I have been asked about repressing out of stock CD\'s. I\'m willing to do pre-sales to raise the cash to do repressing and if everyone can agree on one to start with I may try again, (maybe Peppers or Shadows). First I need to point out that I have done this a handful of times now with vary mixed results. People don\'t seem to realize how slow going sales of CD\'s get after the initial release.

The last two I did was Slaughterhouse and Real Diamond. I had them up for pre-sales for months. Finally we hit around fifty and I thought we can\'t turn back so I pressed them. It\'s been over a year now and we still haven\'t reached the break even point on the repressing for those.

I did a poll asking if you would be interested in a repressing and naturally there were lots of votes to do so but when it came time to pre-buy only 10 percent of those that voted actual did so over months. This time I won\'t do a poll, I need those that are interested to network a bit ahead of time and know that it will be a limited time offer, maybe a couple weeks of pre-sale. I would set a number say 80 that needs to be reached in that time frame. The poll will be the sales. If the number isn\'t reached that there will be no pressing.

I\'m open to suggestions. I would like to never have out of stock CD\'s but the reality is it\'s more difficult then that.

I started this thread to gauge interest and ideas. Let\'s see what we can come up with.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Jowaxe on April 22, 2011, 05:57:01 PM
Good post Travis. You can never rely on intentions...you can only rely on cash...

If people are willing, they should pre-order (pay for) the cd and once there are 50 (or whatever the magic break even number is), then the discs are pressed and delivered. They should know that this may take a while...

You could throw on an expiration date...i.e. If within 6 months from the initial offer, you don\'t have enough pre-orders, then everyone gets their money back.

This way there is really no risk to anyone...

However, i admit i don\'t know all of the details that come into play, but based on my knowledge, that may work.

It all depends if people are willing to put up the cash knowing they may not get the album for a while, or not at all.

*shrug*
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: firefitz on April 22, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
Hmmm. kind of drawing a blank with ideas, sorry. I will tell you what i\'ll do Travis to help you and my fellow bots. For one cd, I will throw in $ 100 to get peppers rolling off the press, seriously, that is the kind of person i am. It\'s not much, but a start. If you can\'t trust a fireman, who can you trust. Email me if interested. Although there is one catch..........tell B to get his arse to the motor city. Just joking, sort of  ;D.  firemanfitz65@yahoo.com
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 22, 2011, 07:47:25 PM
i wouldnt have a problem if i bought a ticket for the repressing of some album.


Still, i would be kind of worried for those who would like to have their copies within a time frame.


This is certanly very complicated >:(
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DroidHunter13 on April 22, 2011, 08:25:17 PM
There could be an expiration date for pre-orders for the albums, but no set number of pre-orders, and whoever pre-orders the album before the expiration date gets that repressed album.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 22, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
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There could be an expiration date for pre-orders for the albums, but no set number of pre-orders, and whoever pre-orders the album before the expiration date gets that repressed album.  Just a thought.



I think that the problem is that when Travis represses an album, he cant repress 5 or 21, he needs to repress a certain ammount in which he can make a little profit. And 5 or 21 albums isnt enough, i think
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Raw Ketchup on April 22, 2011, 09:26:52 PM
I have no ideas but I want Shadows Between the Sky.

I\'ll trade a copy of the Holiday LE for it.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: kevindanielcahill on April 23, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
The last re-pressing of the cds was pretty decent.
You bought it and waited for the rest of the numbers to jump up, but with that you got a free download from the bandcamp to tide you over until everyone esle chipped in. I think thats the best idea, obviously if you dont mind waiting. Shouldnt there be a poll to decide which cd\'s get repressed tho? :-*
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Boxenstien on April 23, 2011, 02:49:43 PM
if you repress peppers ghost with a little different cover image ill buy a copy or two, or three  ;D
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: stumpdangler on April 23, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
I would be interested if there were a bonus track or two.
This suggestion didn\'t fly last time, but I think its worth a try.

It would be an effective marketing tool, even if its different cover art, live tracks or whatever.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: In Search Of The on April 23, 2011, 04:41:58 PM
Unreleased songs always get people drooling. I\'m sure Buckethead has a few flying round?

I\'d probably buy every repressing twice. You never know when it\'d happen again.

Also, is there much harm in a slight price increase? 10/15 dollars seems staggeringly cheap considering the RRP of most albums out there. I live in the UK and even with shipping it\'s around the same price each time. 20 dollars an album wouldn\'t do much harm, but makes all the difference in sales (I imagine).
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: kevindanielcahill on April 23, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
extra tracks and a new cover here or there would really make the world off difference. Here Here! ;)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Travis on April 23, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
So you see the problem. I don\'t mind setting up a pay what you like pre-sale. Or you can buy multiple copies if you want. I would rather not think of this as a charity. Or resell to the same people who already have it by adding a widget. It\'s really a supply and demand thing. Are there enough people who want a copy of an out of stock item to justify a repressing?
I might repress as a digipak if that\'s adds some incentive for hard core collectors. But again that\'s relying on the core buying base that already has the item. I thought about a "on demand" sale for some items but I don\'t think that many are interested in CD\'Rs. I\'m still looking for ideas.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: TheNose on April 23, 2011, 07:06:22 PM
I\'d jump on the chance to get Pepper\'s Ghost and Shadows Between the Sky when/if they are repressed.  
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: PawnBot on April 23, 2011, 09:33:20 PM
I\'m game for whatever.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: deege on April 23, 2011, 10:54:47 PM
I\'d love to see Peppers Ghost or Shadows Between the Sky get repressed, i\'d definitely buy either or.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: firefitz on April 23, 2011, 11:14:05 PM
i am in for peppers. i think the best way is to prepay with a deadline.  make the cd something a tad different somehow maybe like a special insert. word will get around and.........BAAAAAAAMMMMMM. there ya go. easy peasy nice and easy.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Boxenstien on April 24, 2011, 12:38:08 AM
ill gladly pay 25 bucks for a copy of Peppers Ghost in a digipak with maybe an extra track, whether it be live, unreleased, etc.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Nubbins on April 24, 2011, 04:47:19 AM
I think the idea of alternate artwork is a very good one, I can say for certain I\'d buy a couple copies of the repress. But I also understand that this is probably beyond Travis\'s control. I\'d have to assume any decisions about album art are Buckethead\'s to make.



Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 24, 2011, 05:28:26 AM
maybe when Albino Slug sells out there is a posibility that a new press with extra track could be done ;D ;D


But it seems that there is some demand for Pepper\'s Ghost ;)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on April 24, 2011, 05:48:11 AM
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maybe when Albino Slug sells out there is a posibility that a new press with extra track could be done ;D ;D


you mean like replace the album version of Forgotten Trail with the iTunes version???
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 24, 2011, 08:39:12 AM
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you mean like replace the album version of Forgotten Trail with the iTunes version???


i meant add, not replace. But yeah, i was refering to the itunes song 8)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: kevindanielcahill on April 24, 2011, 08:51:38 AM
would it be possible to see a list of all the cd\'s that are out of stock? also sorry to be daft but (whats a digipack?)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on April 24, 2011, 10:40:09 AM
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also sorry to be daft but (whats a digipack?)


if you have the electric tears, captain eo\'s voyage, left hanging, or DCK black album, that is what a digipak is. its basically like a CD book or something without the hard plastic case. I personally like it better than the jewel case.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Silverado on April 24, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
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I\'d love to see Peppers Ghost or Shadows Between the Sky get repressed, i\'d definitely buy either or.


In addition to these...I\'d bet you\'d sell a bunch of Population Override and Bucketheadland 2.  
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: fuzzface on April 25, 2011, 02:41:36 AM
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So you see the problem. I don\'t mind setting up a pay what you like pre-sale. Or you can buy multiple copies if you want. I would rather not think of this as a charity. Or resell to the same people who already have it by adding a widget. It\'s really a supply and demand thing. Are there enough people who want a copy of an out of stock item to justify a repressing?
I might repress as a digipak if that\'s adds some incentive for hard core collectors. But again that\'s relying on the core buying base that already has the item. I thought about a "on demand" sale for some items but I don\'t think that many are interested in CD\'Rs. I\'m still looking for ideas.


Here, here Travis!  Thanks for not jumping on the double-dip bandwagon!  As a member of the "core buying base", I appreciate it.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 25, 2011, 06:24:28 AM
i always thought that there would be a fan base that would die to hear Pop. Override on Vinyl. ;D
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Yakuza on April 25, 2011, 07:00:41 AM
I would buy a pre-sale of Shadows Between the Sky if you offered it.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Duckhead on April 25, 2011, 07:35:37 AM
I would pre-pay $25 for any of the out of stock cds if Buckethead were to sign it. I\'m sure alot of others would too.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 25, 2011, 10:13:17 AM
im guessing that having Buckethead to sign repressings would be a great way to pay for the repressing itself.

By charging the usual extra for Big B\'s sig, Travis can use that extra money to pay for the repressings and it would cost less (both in people needed to buy the album and albums themselves) to pay for it. Although Buckethead\'s wrist will pay the price ;D ;D
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: stumpdangler on April 25, 2011, 06:18:01 PM
It would be a lot of work to go through and remaster CDs with extra tracks or artwork etc... That use of time and resources would probably be drained from future releases.

An autographed digipak option  would be kind of neat. I might pick one of those up for myself or a gift for a friend.
At this point I\'m doing good just to keep up with the new releases as they come along.

Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: SheMouse on April 26, 2011, 02:45:58 AM
I just want to own the CDs, so as long as I get a disc and something to protect it, I\'m happy. Even if they came in the little sleeves like Spinal Clock. Whatever\'s most efficient for you is fine by me.

I would love a few things signed by Buckethead but he\'s touring right now and I\'m doubting he\'d sign that many/just come at Travis\'s beckon call to sign things. Maybe I\'m just pessimistic. Who knows?
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: firefitz on April 26, 2011, 02:54:23 AM
Dammit Travis hurry up we are waiting we don\'t have all day now........... Gotcha, seriously just joking take your time trying to figure it out. By the way did i spell seriously right. It  looks wrong. I feel like a 42 year old spelling idiot.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Duckhead on April 26, 2011, 04:11:17 AM
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I would love a few things signed by Buckethead but he\'s touring right now and I\'m doubting he\'d sign that many/just come at Travis\'s beckon call to sign things. Maybe I\'m just pessimistic. Who knows?


I was just brainstorming, It seemed like a better idea than my last one. I can see your pessimism but the optimist in me says otherwise. You\'re right that some details would need to be worked out. There could be 2 pre-pay options one for signed and one not signed. Those of us who pay for a signed one would just have to wait until Bucketheads schedule would allow it. But nothing is gonna happen right away - first Travis needs to raise the money, then order the cds, once he gets the cds some would be set aside for Big B when he comes to the studio next. It\'s just an idea that kills 2 birds with one stone, one being getting the out of stock cd and the other getting Big B\'s auto that many of us ask Travis for.

Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: firefitz on April 26, 2011, 04:31:40 AM
hmmm very interesting ducky
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: SheMouse on April 26, 2011, 05:01:06 AM
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I was just brainstorming, It seemed like a better idea than my last one. I can see your pessimism but the optimist in me says otherwise. You\'re right that some details would need to be worked out. There could be 2 pre-pay options one for signed and one not signed. Those of us who pay for a signed one would just have to wait until Bucketheads schedule would allow it. But nothing is gonna happen right away - first Travis needs to raise the money, then order the cds, once he gets the cds some would be set aside for Big B when he comes to the studio next. It\'s just an idea that kills 2 birds with one stone, one being getting the out of stock cd and the other getting Big B\'s auto that many of us ask Travis for.



I agree, it\'d be a great idea, and I would definitely shell out the money because I love Buckethead & think Travis is a great guy and deserves the money. But my main concern is that if getting hold of Buck takes too long, people are going to back out of their orders.  D: Or people would complain. I mean, we haven\'t even gotten the track names for Happy Holidays yet. Perhaps it could be a request for people who don\'t mind waiting (hardcore collectors and the like)?
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 26, 2011, 07:34:00 AM
i think that you are way ahead of yourself.


I mean, no one takes into consideration the time that is going to go by from now till Travis has reached a desition. Plus, you have to add the time that pressing the albums would take.


Maybe after the whole process is up and Travis has them in the studio, Buckethead would have already finished up the tour.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: JTSwagger on April 26, 2011, 05:33:44 PM
Honestly, I have no idea how to solve your problem, but I am definately willing to buy 1 copy of each peppers and shadows, I can pay in advance and wait, it really doesnt matter to me.  
I just want to own those cd\'s and not get raked over the coals by ebay.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: koopatroopa on April 26, 2011, 06:19:33 PM
I would be definately in for a repressing of Peppers and Population Override, digi pack would be even more awesome.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on April 27, 2011, 12:50:35 AM
digipak albums are so cool, i think they are way better than the jewel cases cause they are not prone to cracking.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 27, 2011, 03:14:05 AM
well, the ball is on Travis court now.


I think some of the ideas are viable but i hope Travis can share his knowledge of the buisness to solve the problem.




(if there is a Pepper\'s Ghost on digipack, ill have to buy the case one either way :P)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Travis on April 27, 2011, 07:30:24 PM
Ok, thanks. I see really only one or two who haven\'t gotten the original pressing looking to get one. As I said, I\'m not looking to resell to the same people who already have it. I\'m just trying to figure out if it\'s worth repressing for a handful of people who don\'t have  (insert out of stock CD here).

My options are to pre-sell, but that hasn\'t worked before and I don\'t see any evidence it will this time.
Perhaps with a pay what you want option, again that is really a donation to those who haven\'t gotten the disc yet and not supply and demand. This might work if enough people are willing to pay collectors prices to get a copy through pre-sale.


How about, disc only ( a pressed CD) , like Netfix. You print the cover and supply the box. Or just disc and printed goods, you supply the box.

Full 24 bit masters  and art work on a USB thumb drive.

Download only lossless with art.

Still thinking about it.








Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: PawnBot on April 27, 2011, 09:41:33 PM
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Or just disc and printed goods, you supply the box.

I like this idea i would be willing to do this for all "out of order" Cd\'s, the only thing about the just getting the cd and printing my own covers is it looks crappy (cheap printer) and i\'d like to have a good looking album.

Whats the prices on these options by the way?
(doesn\'t matter but just curious)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: fuzzface on April 28, 2011, 12:34:08 AM
How about lossless download for $10, with the moneys going into a repress fund and when a preset goal is hit, all the the peeps that bought the download get the repress for $5?  Ends up being the same price for the disc at the end, but gets most of the money upfront to front the repress cost?  Something like that...

BTW - I have a few on-demand cds and they are pretty good quality.  Definitely a way to go for the peeps that missed the boat the first time around.  Ohm Resistance seems to be doing that with most of their catalog.
The Blood of Heroes cd came out last year and they already have an on-demand version out, so it looks like they are going to let the original go out of print and only have the on-demand available when the pressed ones are gone.  I really see this as the coming trend.  Most of the Bucket releases in recent years only have the 2-sided insert card in the front and this is exactly what most on-demand cds have, so the only real difference would be a pressed cd vs a cd-r (which can be printed on and painted on).  Too tell you the truth, the only way that most people are going to be able to tell the difference is if they flip the disc over and notice "cd-r" in the matrix ring...
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on April 28, 2011, 01:17:11 AM
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How about, disc only ( a pressed CD) , like Netfix. You print the cover and supply the box. Or just disc and printed goods, you supply the box.

Full 24 bit masters  and art work on a USB thumb drive.

Download only lossless with art.

Still thinking about it


im sorry, i dont understand this one bit. does it mean we have to buy the cd and artwork separately?
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: spiketacular on April 28, 2011, 05:06:27 AM
Full 24 bit masters and art work on a USB thumb drive would be awesome.

I\'d prefer a standard CD over 16 bit lossless downloads though, but whatever is easiest.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 28, 2011, 07:03:15 AM
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How about, disc only ( a pressed CD) , like Netfix. You print the cover and supply the box. Or just disc and printed goods, you supply the box.




I dont wanna bother you Travis any more that i usually do, but the idea of the disk and the printed goods could be good because i really dont want to just print the cover by myself (there is a lot of room for error in that department). But if you are serisouly considering that, why not make it like Spinal Clock kind of format. After all, Buckethead does not release booklets.


Also, my original intention is to get the first edition version. So i wouldnt mind waiting half an eternity for another 100 people (or x nomber of people, i really dont know) to buy a pre order without any time frame.


I would really like the original version, and maybe he could do a tour-only repress ;D that would be too funny.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Yakuza on April 28, 2011, 06:19:41 PM
The only problem I see with using on demand CD-Rs is the lifespan of the disc is much shorter than a regular pressed CD.

I don\'t have Shadows Between the Sky yet and I\'d like to have a chance to procure it, in whatever method that may be. Ultimately it\'s about the music, not the packaging, for me at least.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Yakuza on April 28, 2011, 06:25:23 PM
Also, supplying the 24 bit masters sounds pretty enticing.
If you\'re not going to be using the CD medium, then why bother to restrict the bit depth?
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DroidHunter13 on April 28, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
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I dont wanna bother you Travis any more that i usually do, but the idea of the disk and the printed goods could be good because i really dont want to just print the cover by myself (there is a lot of room for error in that department). But if you are serisouly considering that, why not make it like Spinal Clock kind of format. After all, Buckethead does not release booklets.


Also, my original intention is to get the first edition version. So i wouldnt mind waiting half an eternity for another 100 people (or x nomber of people, i really dont know) to buy a pre order without any time frame.


I would really like the original version, and maybe he could do a tour-only repress ;D that would be too funny.

Thats my intetention, too. I do like the ideas of seeing those albums repressed in digipaks or CD jackets, but I personally prefer the original jewel case... Although I probably wouldn\'t care if the CD was repressed in its original casing or not if I actually owned the album. I still need Shadows, and Id prefer the original version
 ::)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Travis on April 28, 2011, 10:06:27 PM
Well, how about the regular printed goods that came with the original CD and a CDR no lable, for $10. Make a back up copy of the CDR if your concerned about it\'s longevity. You supply the jewel case. When a regular CD is pressed we offer it for a discount or just the disc for even less.

What we are really talking about is the future delivery system of music. I think the CD is on it\'s last legs. CD\'s seem to be for those that want to collect something tangible as a fan (thank you) because 10 to 1 most music is gotten as a download for free. This is just the start of a bigger topic.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: fuzzface on April 28, 2011, 11:52:22 PM
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The only problem I see with using on demand CD-Rs is the lifespan of the disc is much shorter than a regular pressed CD.


That is true, BUT I haven\'t seen any recent numbers to show the difference.  I still think we\'re in the "who knows" phase.  Cd-rs have come a long way since the days of blue/green/or yellow dyes.  And, the on-demand companies are hopefully using more pro equipment than the average home user is using.
I honestly seriously doubt modern on-demand cd-rs will expire inside of 20-30 years.

Having read all of the suggestions and Travis\' comments I see on-demand as the only legitimate way any repress is going to happen.  Of course, once you get the physical cd, you can always burn back-ups or digitally store back-ups on a hard drive.  To be honest, the whole cd-r thing does not frighten me much anymore.

I for one, am one of the peeps that still LIKE packaging and don\'t care one bit for the transition to (mostly mp3) digital music delivery.  CD-quality audio at a minimum.  I CARE about how the music sounds.  :)


Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on April 29, 2011, 12:45:47 AM
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Well, how about the regular printed goods that came with the original CD and a CDR no lable, for $10. Make a back up copy of the CDR if your concerned about it\'s longevity. You supply the jewel case. When a regular CD is pressed we offer it for a discount or just the disc for even less.

What we are really talking about is the future delivery system of music. I think the CD is on it\'s last legs. CD\'s seem to be for those that want to collect something tangible as a fan (thank you) because 10 to 1 most music is gotten as a download for free. This is just the start of a bigger topic.


i pretty much just buy the CD and stick em into iTunes so that I can get the full physical CD with artwork and an electronical version so its good for me.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: stumpdangler on April 29, 2011, 03:54:04 AM
I think that if I didn\'t already have a particular cd, I would be content with an on demand cdr with the printed artwork. I rarely play the cds themselves these days as much as catalogue them digitally. 24 bit would rock.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Raw Ketchup on April 29, 2011, 04:28:55 AM
Being 100% honest here, if the CDs were only available in digital format/CD-R, I would just download them for free and make my own copies. I\'d be more likely to buy an overpriced copy on Amazon than a jank one from TDRS.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Travis on April 29, 2011, 04:51:25 AM
Cool. I guess I\'ll retire and take up gardening.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Trev_dog on April 29, 2011, 04:57:58 AM
Ouch things are getting fierce in this thread. Lets all just take a deep breath and realize that if Travis cant meet our every need like he usually does that we will be okay.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 29, 2011, 05:11:01 AM
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Cool. I guess I\'ll retire and take up gardening.



hahaha. I do think that small labels exist because of the hardcore fans. They are the only ones that end up buying physical copies of the albums anyways.


And sadly, i cant think of any other ideas to help which is bad because i really would like to see them represed. And as far as the distribution of music goes, i think that the releasing of digital copies is sufficient enough.

In any case, for future releases, maybe releasing it online and hold a pre order without time frame untill you reach a certain number of people. And that way maybe Travis can save pennies when pressing albums that end up beign less popular that expected (FF/NIASS)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Phydeaux_3 on April 29, 2011, 11:27:54 AM
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Cool. I guess I\'ll retire and take up gardening.


That would be the saddest day in the World.

I sure hope that there\'s some kind of middle ground... I know that I do my best to buy CD\'s as often as I can but then I\'m only 1 bot. I sure do like the download idea though, I was listening to Eo\'s within hours of learning of it\'s existence, via iTunes. TDRS would have gotten my money if it was tdrsTunes, know what I mean?

I\'ve had $20 in my paypal acct. since February waiting for the non-le Happy Holidays, but I suppose that if another new CD comes out before then I\'d be forced to divert funds.

Also, just let me say, that whole Happy Holidays CD idea was THE coolest thing ever in the history of the universe. I cherish mine. Best collectable ever!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: stumpdangler on April 29, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
I guess I\'ll have to look up the definition of "jank." If  it means "Hey thanks for thinking of fans that missed out on the initial pressing of [insert cd title here] that is currently out of print so we can enjoy a legitimate artist rendered cd copy at a reasonable price" I would have to say that TDRS would be the "jankest." Otherwise that\'s pretty foul, dude.

I don\'t think this is about all future new releases or all repressings in general, just a few titles that have recently picked up some interest that are currently out of stock.

Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketdog on April 29, 2011, 03:33:49 PM
Interesting thread! I love gardening, Travis! I have quite the green thumb too ;D



I don\'t see buckethead making these items in a LE format. That would not make much sense.

How about a new DVD from buckethead with the album(s) included in the price and burnable from the DVD. Sell em for $50.00 -$60.00 and have a signed batch with additional footage for $75.00. Distribute some of the non LEs through amazon. Have 1500 LE dvds ($112,500.00) and a bunch of non LEs.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketdog on April 29, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
Oh also have some new "DVD ONLY" music tracks on there too to compliment the albums.

Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Duckhead on April 29, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
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I guess I\'ll have to look up the definition of "jank." If  it means "Hey thanks for thinking of fans that missed out on the initial pressing of [insert cd title here] that is currently out of print so we can enjoy a legitimate artist rendered cd copy at a reasonable price" I would have to say that TDRS would be the "jankest." Otherwise that\'s pretty foul, dude.



^Damn straight!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: ilikeheadcheese on April 30, 2011, 12:13:18 AM
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Being 100% honest here, if the CDs were only available in digital format/CD-R, I would just download them for free and make my own copies. I\'d be more likely to buy an overpriced copy on Amazon than a jank one from TDRS.


This post made my whole body sad and angry at the same time.  :\'(

I would at least hope you donate to Bucket (or whoever else for that matter) after you "take" the album.  
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Jowaxe on April 30, 2011, 02:09:41 AM
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Being 100% honest here, if the CDs were only available in digital format/CD-R, I would just download them for free and make my own copies. I\'d be more likely to buy an overpriced copy on Amazon than a jank one from TDRS.


I can\'t believe you just wrote that on this forum. What\'s wrong with you man?
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: SheMouse on April 30, 2011, 02:33:04 AM
Illegal downloading is not cool, broha.

Like I said before, I wouldn\'t mind the CDs coming in a little sleeve with the album artwork printed on it, like Spinal Clock. I, personally, would really like having decent-quality album artwork. But if CD-R is the only way I can get the music on a disk (I have had far too many computer crashes to trust downloads completely, don\'t want to lose all my Buck. stuff), then I\'ll pay for it and wait to get one of the original digipacks/jewel cases from Amazon or eBay when I have some disposable income. If I become a hard-core collector. That money doesn\'t go to Travis or Buckethead, though, which makes me sorta sad.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 30, 2011, 02:38:51 AM
why is CD-R different than a regular CD or what? im not really familiar with those differences.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: SheMouse on April 30, 2011, 03:03:58 AM
 
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why is CD-R different than a regular CD or what? im not really familiar with those differences.


CD-Rs contain computer data, regular CDs are generally reserved for audio-only, allowing it to be read by a regular CD player (like in a car). You can rip music off of either, but you can\'t play the CD-R in your car. That\'s my understanding, anyways. Someone please correct me if I\'m wrong.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DroidHunter13 on April 30, 2011, 04:02:56 AM
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CD-Rs contain computer data, regular CDs are generally reserved for audio-only, allowing it to be read by a regular CD player (like in a car). You can rip music off of either, but you can\'t play the CD-R in your car. That\'s my understanding, anyways. Someone please correct me if I\'m wrong.

You can play CD-R\'s in the car...i play them in mine all the time! Although CD-R\'s dont work on some stereo systems.  I dont know any specific ones that they dont work for but 1 of my stereos doesnt play them.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 30, 2011, 05:10:54 AM
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You can play CD-R\'s in the car...i play them in mine all the time! Although CD-R\'s dont work on some stereo systems.  I dont know any specific ones that they dont work for but 1 of my stereos doesnt play them.


i think i have one of those stereos that cant play them.

Lucky i have 2 stereos
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Travis on April 30, 2011, 05:26:06 PM
OK, a  wide range of opinions. Yes, the idea is to make available music that is out of print to those that missed the initial release and would still like to support the artist. I am going to try to do everything I can to prevent CD\'s from going out of print in the first place by some resource allocation. However, we have a number of CD\'s where that is too late. The pre-sale solution is a problem because the long wait and the fact that the repress is mostly not recouped and least for a few years. Remember there are too kinds out out of stock music, those we pressed for sale here and those like Population Override that were pressed by ION records and we offered for sale. Those are still available from ION and are not out of print. I will try to make them available here when I can. Right now I\'m talking about CD\'s like Peppers and Shadows.

It sounds like having the original printed cover and tray card are the most important to most people. Offering the original art and a CDR might be the most practical sort term solution. Sales of those could go toward a repress of the disc and that could be offered at a discount as an option when it becomes available. Right now I\'m just asking for your feedback to see what thoughts are about this. I haven\'t made a decision yet.

About CDRs. Digital audio is contained in files. Most  know MP3 and Wave files. Wave files can be a number of different bit depths and sample rates. CD\'s use a file format call the Red Book standard, always 16 bit 44.1k sample rate. All CDs and CDR\'s use the Redbook Standard.  CDR\'s can be burned with many different files system for data and movies and music. But an audio CD uses the Redbook spec and is exactly the same as a regular CD as far as the information on it goes.

The difference between a regular CD and a CDR is the regular CD is manufactured with the audio data on it. Digital audio is just a series of ones and zeros. The regular CD starts out as a thin disc of aluminum that is stamped with a series of pits. It look a bit like a cheese grater. Then plastic is injection moulded around the metal. When you put the disc in a player a laser scans the disc, it sees a pit, that = one, no pit = zero and the converter un-encodes the ones and zeros into music.

The CDR starts out as a plastic disc with a dye layer imbedded in it. When you burn the disc, the laser burns a series of pits into the dye. When you put it into a player the laser reads the pit, no pit.

CDr are less robust then CDs because instead of permanent pits in metal, the pits are in a photo sensitive dye emulsion.
They can fade with time. Also depending on the type of CDR dye, green, blue, silver and so on burners are optimized for one type or another so the pit depth vary from brand to brand. Some players are better at reading one brand from another. If you have trouble playing a CD in a particular player, you can burn another copy using a different brand disc and it will probably play.

A lot of the Limited Editions we sell here are on CDRs. CDR burners and players have gotten really good over the last few years and we have very few problems with customers. When they do have a problem, I tell them to burn it on another brand disc or I will do it for them and that\'s always solved the problem. It\'s always a good idea to back up CDR\'s and if something happens you can just burn another one. At 20 cents each it\'s  a bargain.

I not going on about CDRs to defend them, the fact is both types of CD\'s will become obsolete not too long from now. But CDRs may be a good option where just a few copies of a disc are needed.


One last point. All the music we sell here is easily downloaded for free all over the internet. In fact 95 percent of all the people who listen to our music do just that. We rely on the good will of those that understand the value of music they love. Without their support, there is no way we can continue to make music, at least not with the amount of time and energy that is brought to it now. The art of record making will give way to the hobby of laptop users and concert recorders.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on April 30, 2011, 08:16:53 PM
i see now. What an explanation ;D ;D


After all this talk i would feel rather guilty if Travis repress Peppers and Shadows on the normal way and not many people buy it. :(
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DroidHunter13 on April 30, 2011, 08:32:51 PM
^^^ Im gonna buy Shadows as soon as it gets repressed, as long as i have the money!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: TheNose on May 01, 2011, 01:44:09 PM
I\'m fine with the CDr w/ original packaging/artwork idea if it is going towards a repress.


Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Silverado on May 01, 2011, 03:33:10 PM
TDRS Music, Travis, Buckethead and everyone involved with these projects are blazing the trail of modern music production!  The record companies and labels are having a conference right now...heard a bit about it on NPR...on how to market music in the digital age.  I\'m sure they are aware of operations like TDRS and are threatened by this method of self-sufficiency!  I say keep up the good work!!  The only thing on major labels these days is mostly commercial garbage.

 The way people obtain music is very different now, ten years ago record stores sold music to the consumer.  Obviously, that is no longer the case and record companies and artists are both struggling to make money.  As more musicians become self sufficient the need for record companies will diminish.  In my opinion, artists are going to have to make it on their own.  The tools for success are already in place...record your music, make copies, sell music, play shows, sell merchandise, take money to the bank...should be a piece of cake!!  As Martin Atkins from Invisible Records would say "Welcome to the music biz...you\'re fucked."  You gotta love it!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: In Search Of The on May 01, 2011, 04:58:24 PM
I don\'t know about you but I feel proud that a portion of my pay check goes towards TDRS every month. Eventually, I\'ll run out of CDs that I don\'t yet own, but I\'m glad to buy 2 or 3 at a time and then scratch at the door like a dog waiting for the postman.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Raw Ketchup on May 01, 2011, 09:28:04 PM
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Cool. I guess I\'ll retire and take up gardening.


I would gladly purchase your fresh crops.

I liked the idea of a pressed cd without a case, and would purchase those without hesitation. Though saying I\'d just pirate CD-Rs is a bit extreme, I would still rather buy digital and make my own cd.

I just can\'t see myself ever wanting to buy a burned cd that isn\'t of the "limited edition" breed.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on May 02, 2011, 06:10:46 AM
speaking of restock, Travis are you gonna release a 4th batch of limited editions of the Untitled album??
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on May 02, 2011, 10:36:31 AM
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speaking of restock, Travis are you gonna release a 4th batch of limited editions of the Untitled album??


i prefer to wait until the regular edition. making so many batches doesnt seem like it being a limited edition at all.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: ToonGuns on May 02, 2011, 10:42:47 AM
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OK, a  wide range of opinions. Yes, the idea is to make available music that is out of print to those that missed the initial release and would still like to support the artist. I am going to try to do everything I can to prevent CD\'s from going out of print in the first place by some resource allocation. However, we have a number of CD\'s where that is too late. The pre-sale solution is a problem because the long wait and the fact that the repress is mostly not recouped and least for a few years. Remember there are too kinds out out of stock music, those we pressed for sale here and those like Population Override that were pressed by ION records and we offered for sale. Those are still available from ION and are not out of print. I will try to make them available here when I can. Right now I\'m talking about CD\'s like Peppers and Shadows.

It sounds like having the original printed cover and tray card are the most important to most people. Offering the original art and a CDR might be the most practical sort term solution. Sales of those could go toward a repress of the disc and that could be offered at a discount as an option when it becomes available. Right now I\'m just asking for your feedback to see what thoughts are about this. I haven\'t made a decision yet.

About CDRs. Digital audio is contained in files. Most  know MP3 and Wave files. Wave files can be a number of different bit depths and sample rates. CD\'s use a file format call the Red Book standard, always 16 bit 44.1k sample rate. All CDs and CDR\'s use the Redbook Standard.  CDR\'s can be burned with many different files system for data and movies and music. But an audio CD uses the Redbook spec and is exactly the same as a regular CD as far as the information on it goes.

The difference between a regular CD and a CDR is the regular CD is manufactured with the audio data on it. Digital audio is just a series of ones and zeros. The regular CD starts out as a thin disc of aluminum that is stamped with a series of pits. It look a bit like a cheese grater. Then plastic is injection moulded around the metal. When you put the disc in a player a laser scans the disc, it sees a pit, that = one, no pit = zero and the converter un-encodes the ones and zeros into music.

The CDR starts out as a plastic disc with a dye layer imbedded in it. When you burn the disc, the laser burns a series of pits into the dye. When you put it into a player the laser reads the pit, no pit.

CDr are less robust then CDs because instead of permanent pits in metal, the pits are in a photo sensitive dye emulsion.
They can fade with time. Also depending on the type of CDR dye, green, blue, silver and so on burners are optimized for one type or another so the pit depth vary from brand to brand. Some players are better at reading one brand from another. If you have trouble playing a CD in a particular player, you can burn another copy using a different brand disc and it will probably play.

A lot of the Limited Editions we sell here are on CDRs. CDR burners and players have gotten really good over the last few years and we have very few problems with customers. When they do have a problem, I tell them to burn it on another brand disc or I will do it for them and that\'s always solved the problem. It\'s always a good idea to back up CDR\'s and if something happens you can just burn another one. At 20 cents each it\'s  a bargain.

I not going on about CDRs to defend them, the fact is both types of CD\'s will become obsolete not too long from now. But CDRs may be a good option where just a few copies of a disc are needed.


One last point. All the music we sell here is easily downloaded for free all over the internet. In fact 95 percent of all the people who listen to our music do just that. We rely on the good will of those that understand the value of music they love. Without their support, there is no way we can continue to make music, at least not with the amount of time and energy that is brought to it now. The art of record making will give way to the hobby of laptop users and concert recorders.



Good news that the re-release will not be simply CDR versions of the original CD\'s as that wouldn\'t be what I would like.

I for one am willing to increase the amount I would pay to justify a repressing. For example - we keep talking about both Peppers and Shadows, well if they were originally sold at $15 then I would happily pay $25 for a copy of the repressed CD if it was identical to the original release, in that way you would need less pre-orders to cover the cost of the repressing.

I for one can\'t wait for the re-pressing as Shadows seemed to sell out stupidly fast and it is the one Bucket CD I don\'t own, and although eBay is a last resort it seems stupid not to pay direct to Bucket and TDRS.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: ToonGuns on May 02, 2011, 10:43:42 AM
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i prefer to wait until the regular edition. making so many batches doesnt seem like it being a limited edition at all.


Agree. How can it be limited edition if it keeps getting re-released everytime it runs out of stock?!!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Nubbins on May 02, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
Travis, a CD-R with the inserts seems like a smart way to go. People can put it in an empty jewel case, and voila, there ya have it. That\'s a close as you can get without actually repressing the album.

As for those concerned about CD-R lifespan, rip it to your computer, or buy a spindle of blank CD\'s to  back it up. You can probably buy a pack of 50 discs for $5 something like that.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: koopatroopa on May 02, 2011, 03:10:19 PM
The only thing I don\'t like about CDRs is that they feel like cheap, homemade copies, but if that\'s the only possibility, i\'m happy with it. I don\'t own both of these albums so for me it\'s mostly about the music and having a physical copy.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: D on May 02, 2011, 03:45:50 PM

I really like the idea of the 24-bit thumb drive, ( in possibly a limited edition?)

I think the fact that most newer stereo head units have USB inputs makes this increasingly appealing.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: In Search Of The on May 02, 2011, 05:20:24 PM
Am I the only one that\'d buy pretty much anything?
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Raw Ketchup on May 02, 2011, 07:54:20 PM
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Am I the only one that\'d buy pretty much anything?


No. There are several other diehard fans that will buy anything Buckethead puts out and just be happy they were able to give him money.

Here\'s something I don\'t get though; why even send out a CD-R? Seems like anyone that would be ordering online from TDRS would be able to make their own copy of a cd. So why not just offer a download with artwork?

I may be wrong, but doesn\'t sound quality decrease a bit each time an album is copied? So we\'d be buying a copy, and to ensure a long life, we should copy it to our computers, then make another copy.

Shipping isn\'t free either. All for artwork? Hell, offer the artwork for sale as an extra with the download.

I feel a certain pride these days when I have a pro-pressed cd that I love by one of my favorite artists. CD-Rs just don\'t feel special to me. Inferior image, sound, and overall experience. I may be the only one here who feels this way, buy not the only potential customer in general.

It was said that we\'re talking about the new method of music delivery here
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: koopatroopa on May 02, 2011, 08:38:39 PM
But then you could simply download these from iTunes. Also most people here already have the CD, so I don\'t see a reason for them to download it when the have a physical copy.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: fuzzface on May 02, 2011, 10:42:46 PM
I think (correct me if I\'m wrong) that when Travis talks of cd-rs in this capacity, he isn\'t talking about burning one in his office and mailing it to you, but rather on-demand cd-rs from one of numerous companies out there that provide this service.  If this is the case, you WILL NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE unless you happen to notice the letters "CD-R" in the matrix code area on the underside of the cd.  These on-demand cd-rs are pretty high quality stuff.  They come with in jewel cases with the inserts just like anything else and the cd-rs can be printed on top to pretty much match the originals as well.  They might not even read "cd-r" on the bottom.  Kind of like the NTTs from Singapore...

@Raw Ketchup - In the digital world there is no quality degradation from copy to copy.  This is nothing like cassette and VHS tapes.  Ones and zeros are the same ones and zeros regardless of how many times it has been copied...  The only quality loss is when transcoding from cd-audio to mp3 (and any other subsequent transcoding) for example.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: onions on May 10, 2011, 01:46:50 AM
I would pre-order anytime for pepper\'s ghost!! ive heard a few songs (not all so that theres still a bit of surprise when i get the CD) on youtube and i would really like to get my hands of the real thing.

I think it would be better to get the original artwork but anything from buckethead\'s mastermind would be great. For the CD vs CD-R thing, i prefer CD cause my car stereo only plays CD XD.

oh, and hi everyone, im new here XD
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on May 10, 2011, 02:09:12 AM
welcome onions!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: firefitz on May 10, 2011, 02:33:05 AM
you can count on me to buy peppers on whatever its printed on.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: 39reasons on May 10, 2011, 10:35:17 PM
I am interested a pre-sale purchase of a re-press of Shadows.  
My 2nd choice would be pressed disc and inserts and I supply the jewel case.
I have to interest in a download.  If so, I would just use iTunes.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: onions on May 15, 2011, 11:12:18 PM
Is this repressing going to happen or not for pepper\'s ghost?... i really want to listen to brewer in the air in my car on my way to work  XD.
Also about that thing for cd vs cdr, as long as the cdr is burn as a AUDIO cd and not mp3, then it\'s fine. I didnt even know there was a physical difference between cds and cdrs.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Raw Ketchup on May 18, 2011, 07:39:58 PM
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Also about that thing for cd vs cdr, as long as the cdr is burn as a AUDIO cd and not mp3, then it\'s fine. I didnt even know there was a physical difference between cds and cdrs.


Not true. Many older stereos don\'t recognize them, and even some newer ones don\'t recognize certain brands.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: bingeneer on July 28, 2011, 03:15:04 PM
Hi Travis,

Was there ever a resolution to this thread?  I would certainly love the opportunity to get Shadows Between the Sky again (there are others as well), as I missed it the first time around!  This post had a lot of discussion, but I was curious about what decision (if any) you made on the issue.

PS - If anyone has an extra SBTS they would be willing to part with, please PM me!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Travis on July 28, 2011, 08:05:54 PM
Sorry, we are no closer to a solution. It\'s important to remember that most of the CDs your interested in are from Bucketheadland. I have CD\'s I make for my label TDRS, and then other labels, Bucketheadland, and ION and a few others.  Only TDRS do I have direct control over repressing. Though over the years I have tried to do what I can to keep Bucketheadland CDs in stock it\'s really up to them as to how they want to allocate their resources and I think with the music business being what it is , that\'s becoming a bit challenging.  I think right now all resources are going into touring. I expect once that winds down an overall picture of how their music is going to be distributed will be clearer.

If and as soon as I know more, I\'ll pass it along.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on July 29, 2011, 06:57:20 AM
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Sorry, we are no closer to a solution. It\'s important to remember that most of the CDs your interested in are from Bucketheadland. I have CD\'s I make for my label TDRS, and then other labels, Bucketheadland, and ION and a few others.  Only TDRS do I have direct control over repressing. Though over the years I have tried to do what I can to keep Bucketheadland CDs in stock it\'s really up to them as to how they want to allocate their resources and I think with the music business being what it is , that\'s becoming a bit challenging.  I think right now all resources are going into touring. I expect once that winds down an overall picture of how their music is going to be distributed will be clearer.

If and as soon as I know more, I\'ll pass it along.


oh, i see. Well it is a complicated matter, specially with the state of things nowadays.
Still, i think that maybe a change in the format like a vinyl would get a better financial response of fans who already have it but want to hear it in another format and maybe those who do not have them yet.

Having no clue or insight on the music industry, i have seen how Merzbow constantly releases album after album (5 or more per year) and he makes pressings of 100 to 1000 vinyl copies that seem to gorelatively well.


Still, i feel awful for voting on the repressing of ARDIR and SOTP and didnt bought them. Ill fulfill my promise on Spetember
;D
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: MuldeR on September 12, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Hello.

I came to this forum looking for information on Pepper\'s Ghost and then found this thread.

So yes, I am yet another person who is very interested in a re-release. And I also would like to pre-order, if possible ;)

Moreover I want to say that for me it is important to have Cover Artwork and (even more important) a real "pressed" disc. CD-R\'s simply are not as durable!

(BTW: I don\'t like the Pike\'s "paper" cases very much. IMHO they better had shipped the disc with a standard-size booklet only, so one can put the booklet and the disc into a standard plastic case. I have more than enough empty CD cases floating around anyway ^^)

Regards,
MuldeR.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Reanimator77 on September 13, 2011, 12:16:43 AM
My two cents:

I don\'t see anything wrong with a pre-order. Those who want the CD will pay and wait. When you deem that the number is right Travis, you go ahead with the repressing. Sure it might take a while, months or beyond perhaps, but I\'m sure Bots would rather wait than never be able to obtain these albums.

I\'d be willing to pay $20-25 plus shipping for Shadows (Though ARDTR takes priority).

It\'s futile anyway, because in 50 years my CD collection will be rendered obsolete when all music is released in Aerosol form.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: -B- on September 18, 2011, 07:38:27 PM
While I\'m interested in Shadows and other out of stock CDs being re-released, some other ideas such as:

Release the original artwork package to those of us who have bought the digital downloaded mp3s and we can burn our own CDR\'s and put together our own CDs if we can\'t release the original complete package.

Option 2 offer various forms on digital downloads.  I\'ve heard FLAC is a format that is closest to the orginal recording without loss of quality.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: ZQ on September 19, 2011, 07:05:07 AM
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Sorry, we are no closer to a solution. It\'s important to remember that most of the CDs your interested in are from Bucketheadland. I have CD\'s I make for my label TDRS, and then other labels, Bucketheadland, and ION and a few others.  Only TDRS do I have direct control over repressing. Though over the years I have tried to do what I can to keep Bucketheadland CDs in stock it\'s really up to them as to how they want to allocate their resources and I think with the music business being what it is , that\'s becoming a bit challenging.  I think right now all resources are going into touring. I expect once that winds down an overall picture of how their music is going to be distributed will be clearer.

If and as soon as I know more, I\'ll pass it along.


Thank you Travis!

Big HUGZ!
:)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on September 19, 2011, 08:27:31 PM
reading this again reminds me how much i would like Pepper\'s Ghost.

Dont you think that making a petition wont help? I would gladly re-do the Crime Slunk Scene process (paying in advance without a release date) ;D
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: bucketdog2 on September 19, 2011, 09:15:15 PM
It doesn\'t seem "population override" is OOP. Ion records are selling them directly through eBay. For double the price. I caved in and bought a copy because I don\'t steal music. I would have MUCH rather bought it here. I hope Travis and the boy get a piece of that action. Otherwise I\'m gonna feel real stupid not having patience...

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=380370470150&index=1&nav=SEARCH&nid=20239267025
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketfel on September 20, 2011, 01:41:33 AM
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It doesn\'t seem "population override" is OOP. Ion records are selling them directly through eBay. For double the price. I caved in and bought a copy because I don\'t steal music. I would have MUCH rather bought it here. I hope Travis and the boy get a piece of that action. Otherwise I\'m gonna feel real stupid not having patience...

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=380370470150&index=1&nav=SEARCH&nid=20239267025



I saw it for 7 bucks on a record store. I begged for money and bought it 8)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: MuldeR on September 20, 2011, 03:55:21 PM
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It doesn\'t seem "population override" is OOP.


Got that CD as well as "Bucketheadland 2" from the Norman\'s Sound & Vision online store for $18 each.

Unfortunately their site is "Down for Maintenance ..." for quite some time now  ???
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on September 22, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
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Got that CD as well as "Bucketheadland 2" from the Norman\'s Sound & Vision online store for $18 each.

Unfortunately their site is "Down for Maintenance ..." for quite some time now  ???

It\'s been Down for Maintenance for at least 3 weeks so I ordered both PO and BHL2 from amazon. I was feeling some anxiety, fearing they\'d go out of print. :o At least one of them came from ION and I didn\'t pay more than 20 bucks for each.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Siggelump on September 23, 2011, 07:17:40 AM
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It\'s been Down for Maintenance for at least 3 weeks so I ordered both PO and BHL2 from amazon. I was feeling some anxiety, fearing they\'d go out of print. :o At least one of them came from ION and I didn\'t pay more than 20 bucks for each.

I bought Population Override and Chicken Noodles from Normand\'s over a year ago, I payed for the CD\'s but they never showed up... I also tried to contact them but no luck.  >:(
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on September 23, 2011, 10:50:45 AM
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I bought Population Override and Chicken Noodles from Normand\'s over a year ago, I payed for the CD\'s but they never showed up... I also tried to contact them but no luck.  >:(


Theres poor service for you...
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: rustman1984 on October 07, 2011, 01:37:41 PM
hey, as far as the repressing of out of stock cds, iv\'e got an idea. a link is put nest to all of the oos items in a oos page. those interested go there click the link next to the item and then they are given the option to preorder. this preovides tdrs a email list. once the required # is met (a minimal # needed to do a repress) the people who expressed interest in a given title are all contacted via email to pay for the order, or possibly just pay for there and then when they chose to preorder? this would be an awesome change to the site.
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Post by: Bucketfel on October 08, 2011, 07:37:19 AM
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hey, as far as the repressing of out of stock cds, iv\'e got an idea. a link is put nest to all of the oos items in a oos page. those interested go there click the link next to the item and then they are given the option to preorder. this preovides tdrs a email list. once the required # is met (a minimal # needed to do a repress) the people who expressed interest in a given title are all contacted via email to pay for the order.



I think that an email confirmation can give a more accurate estimate of how many people would want to buy the CD and if we look into ADITR and SOTP Travis needed 50 copies or more to repress it (i think), Pepper\'s Ghost can easily get that number or more given the fact that is a very mainstream album and its price is only getting higher. The same with Shadows but since less time has passed, the price has yet to reach PG levels.

And maybe now that Halloween and X-Mas are arround the corner. Maybe the demand will increase even more. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: robotpie3000 on October 08, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
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I think that an email confirmation can give a more accurate estimate of how many people would want to buy the CD and if we look into ADITR and SOTP Travis needed 50 copies or more to repress it (i think), Pepper\'s Ghost can easily get that number or more given the fact that is a very mainstream album and its price is only getting higher. The same with Shadows but since less time has passed, the price has yet to reach PG levels.

And maybe now that Halloween and X-Mas are arround the corner. Maybe the demand will increase even more. ;D ;D ;D


yeah, i really want to have Shadows Between the Sky. Now i regret i didn\'t buy it, and i dont want SBTS to turn into another OOP CD like DOTR or SOTS.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: X on October 29, 2011, 08:00:41 AM
Hi, I just registered this forum and felt relieved to find this thread. First of all, I need to say that I\'ve been a Buckethead fan since 2006. I own 18 of his albums in CD form and 9 of them I bought here. For a while I bought them on Amazon for rediculous prices and after I found out about this site I prefered buying the albums here because they were suprisingly cheaper.

The albums I bought here are Island Of Lost Minds, Inbred Mountain, The Elephant Man\'s Alarm Clock, Crime Slunk Scene, Pepper\'s Ghost (just in time before it sold out), Decoding The Tomb Of Bansheebot, Albino Slug, and I bought Slaughterhouse On The Prairie and A Real Diamond In The Rough after I found out they got repressed. I wasn\'t one of the ones who pre-ordered those albums either so I felt overjoyed to get them.

Anyway, after finding this thread I felt like I needed to put in my feedback for this repressing matter. As of now the only albums I have on my list for Buckethead are Funnel Weaver, Bucketheadland 2, and Shadows Between The Sky. I looked on Amazon to find that album and it\'s not even available there on CD! If it sold out both here and Amazon I don\'t see why it\'s not getting repressed. Even on Buckethead\'s Last.fm page, songs from Shadows Between The Sky are actually peaking above A Real Diamond In The Rough. I was about to just download it off of iTunes, but seeing this thread made me hold out on just downloading it in hopes of buying it in CD form, so if Shadows Between The Sky ever gets repressed then PLEASE count me in!

I read through the whole thread so I understand this CDR topic. Well, I would prefer the CD format just because I use these CDs for my Boombox I got in the 90s so that I can play guitar over them. Not sure if that would change the outcome, but since Travis wanted feedback on that, well, I gave mine.

I also read the bit about Bucketheadland wanting to focus more on the touring. I\'m satisfied with that just as well too, because it was the first time I ever got to see Buckethead live! It was so good the first time that I had to see him again (all-though the second show was free). After seeing him both those times I even bought Metatron by Praxis since it had Meta-Matic on it. Although I noticed at the show he headlined in the Great American Music Hall he was selling his pike series there. So clearly Bucketheadland is still coming out with CDs. (also, just as a funny story, the guy who was selling the pike series didn\'t know jack about what he was selling so I taught him all about it XD)

That\'s all I\'ve got to say for now. I bet most of you thought tl;dr before you even read the first sentence of this, so I apologize for that. I also apologize if I sound too demanding. Something just compelled me to make this post though.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: bigdstouch on October 29, 2011, 01:40:28 PM
I would welcome a repress of the albums mentioned, especially as SBTS is one of my favourite
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Post by: X on October 29, 2011, 10:14:21 PM
I went through the thread again and tallied up who wants which albums

Shadows Between The Sky: 15
Pepper\'s Ghost: 11

There was also one vote for Bucketheadland 2, but that album wasn\'t really in question. As for the tally, I only counted the votes of people who mentioned which CDs they wanted. People who said they\'d buy it 3 times or more only got 1 vote.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: rustman1984 on October 29, 2011, 11:27:03 PM
i\'m down for pre order on giant robot, shadows, and peppers. i posted an idea earlier, not sure if any of it was helpful or not. but if there is an official preorder, i\'ll rally up some folk to preorder, BH\'s the man!!!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: bucketdog2 on October 29, 2011, 11:29:29 PM
SBTS:16
PG:11

I\'m in for a pre-order too. 8)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: bucketdog2 on October 29, 2011, 11:40:32 PM
What if we paid extra for a special edition of these re-releases? Change the cover art to distinguish these from the originals and only press like 300-400. Sell em for $30.00. It would not only give us a special edition of these CDs but would also make it worth Travis\'s effort. Or something like that. And maybe even toss in a bonus track or 2.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DroidHunter13 on October 30, 2011, 01:31:55 AM
You can definitely count me in for a preorder for SBTS! I hope we can start preordering these soon, since Christmas is coming nearer...and it seems that the demand for these are pretty high.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: X on October 30, 2011, 02:23:39 AM
bucketdog, I already counted you on the first post, but rustman\'s vote counts.

SBTS:16
PG:12
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: bigdstouch on October 30, 2011, 06:23:29 AM
I already said SBTS but Id welcome either of them being repressed haha
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: mrpancakes on February 03, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
Count me in too for SBTS !! Will pre-order as soon as available !

By the way, is CSS went OOP lately, I can\'t see it in the store. Would like to buy that one too !
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: rustman1984 on February 05, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
i\'ll pre buy peppers and shadows. i assume you will post how this is to be done?
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Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 05, 2012, 10:04:35 PM
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Count me in too for SBTS !! Will pre-order as soon as available !

By the way, is CSS went OOP lately, I can\'t see it in the store. Would like to buy that one too !

You can see it here: http://travisdickersonmusic.com/store/bucketheadstoystore.html
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Post by: postal on February 06, 2012, 03:55:15 AM
Count me in for SBTS
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Post by: mrpancakes on February 06, 2012, 07:22:24 PM
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You can see it here: http://travisdickersonmusic.com/store/bucketheadstoystore.html


Checked twince and I didn\'t see it :( (assuming you\'re talking about CSS)
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: squigman on February 07, 2012, 04:13:37 AM
I would definitely love a reprint of Bucketheadland Vol.  2. That is quite possibly the hardest album to find and
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on February 07, 2012, 01:37:42 PM
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I would definitely love a reprint of Bucketheadland Vol.  2. That is quite possibly the hardest album to find and


I have Bucketheadland 2, Crime Slunk Scene, Elephant Man\'s Alarm Clock, Peppers Ghost and all the other OOP stuff sold in TDRS except Shadows Between the Sky. Oh how would I love to get my hands on a physical copy.....
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Bucketmuir_Sagan on February 07, 2012, 02:32:44 PM
peppers and shadows!
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 07, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
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Checked twince and I didn\'t see it :( (assuming you\'re talking about CSS)

What?! When I posted that, that site had the old store layout, which included CSS. It looked like it was updated because it said "temp out" on Bucketheadland 2, PO, SbtS, etc.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 07, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
PG (1 left that isn\'t insanely priced!): http://product.half.ebay.com/Peppers-Ghost-by-Buckethead-CD-Oct-2007-CBUJ-Distribution/62934399&tg=info

Funnel Weaver can be found for a reasonable price on amazon.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: mrpancakes on February 07, 2012, 07:47:41 PM
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I would definitely love a reprint of Bucketheadland Vol.  2. That is quite possibly the hardest album to find and


I got mine on Amazon not too long ago for an OK price. There\'s still a few places whrere you can find PO, FW, BHL2.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: mrpancakes on February 07, 2012, 07:50:26 PM
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What?! When I posted that, that site had the old store layout, which included CSS. It looked like it was updated because it said "temp out" on Bucketheadland 2, PO, SbtS, etc.


Whoa, we must have not been to the same site, since I\'ve never seen any of these on sale here lol
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: mrpancakes on February 07, 2012, 07:52:05 PM
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PG (1 left that isn\'t insanely priced!): http://product.half.ebay.com/Peppers-Ghost-by-Buckethead-CD-Oct-2007-CBUJ-Distribution/62934399&tg=info

Funnel Weaver can be found for a reasonable price on amazon.


PG already sold apparently !

Sorry for the triple post :P
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 07, 2012, 08:56:25 PM
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Whoa, we must have not been to the same site, since I\'ve never seen any of these on sale here lol

I don\'t know what site I was on, but it had the old layout, which was used up until CEV or HH, I think. I miss that layout. Easier to see all the albums.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: deadite on February 08, 2012, 06:29:28 AM
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Whoa, we must have not been to the same site, since I\'ve never seen any of these on sale here lol

i think you\'ll find bucketheadland 2 was available on this site a couple of year ago
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DroidHunter13 on February 08, 2012, 06:32:12 PM
I really wish SBtS would be repressed soon. I have EVERY album from this website that is out of print except for that one.  And by the way, Elephant Man\'s Alarm Clock is out of print here as well
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 08, 2012, 07:10:58 PM
So many OOPs. Looks like everything is becoming OOP. This probably explains why Buckethead only sold Pikes at his 2011 tour.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: mrpancakes on February 08, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
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I really wish SBtS would be repressed soon. I have EVERY album from this website that is out of print except for that one.  And by the way, Elephant Man\'s Alarm Clock is out of print here as well


Crime Slunk Scene as well... :(

And me too, man, I want SBTS soooo muuuch  :\'(
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: robotpie3000 on February 09, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
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So many OOPs. Looks like everything is becoming OOP. This probably explains why Buckethead only sold Pikes at his 2011 tour.


dont understand.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 10, 2012, 06:36:08 AM
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So many OOPs. Looks like everything is becoming OOP. This probably explains why Buckethead only sold Pikes at his 2011 tour.

dont understand.
Quantity is so low that there may not be enough to sell at shows.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: mrpancakes on February 12, 2012, 12:35:47 AM
Update: DCK may be OOP too. :'(
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 12, 2012, 08:19:22 PM
Update: DCK may be OOP too. :'(
I just bought one on the 5th. Perhaps I got the last one. I now feel a sudden urgency to buy everything from TDRS that I don't own.
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Mattsie on February 12, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
I only discovered Buckethead late last year so I only have some of the easier to find CDs (Colma, Tears, Giant Robot etc.) so I'd love to get my hands on any of the OOP CDs: PG, SBTS, CSS and DTTOTB especially
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 12, 2012, 08:43:07 PM
I only discovered Buckethead late last year so I only have some of the easier to find CDs (Colma, Tears, Giant Robot etc.) so I'd love to get my hands on any of the OOP CDs: PG, SBTS, CSS and DTTOTB especially
DTTOB is still available here: http://travisdickersonmusic.com/shop/#ecwid:category=813535&mode=category&offset=0&sort=normal
Title: Re: repress out of stock CD\'s
Post by: Mattsie on February 12, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
I only discovered Buckethead late last year so I only have some of the easier to find CDs (Colma, Tears, Giant Robot etc.) so I'd love to get my hands on any of the OOP CDs: PG, SBTS, CSS and DTTOTB especially
DTTOB is still available here: http://travisdickersonmusic.com/shop/#ecwid:category=813535&mode=category&offset=0&sort=normal

oh thanks man