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TDRS artists, music and related topics => TDRS artists, music and related topics => Topic started by: severedhand on January 18, 2012, 02:29:53 pm

Title: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: severedhand on January 18, 2012, 02:29:53 pm
I wonder if buckethead has a SOPA song in works
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: bucketdog2 on January 18, 2012, 09:23:15 pm
I actually don\'t really mind this legislation. Maybe people will start getting paid for their hard work!

I bet buckethead has lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because of piracy.

It\'s time to get paid and make the music industry more lucrative.
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: bucketdog2 on January 18, 2012, 09:25:18 pm
Also people might be forced to go to the library to gain knowledge. God forbid if you try to grow your brain!
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: severedhand on January 18, 2012, 10:43:42 pm
I totally disagree with what your saying however I can respect your opinion .. but there are artists out there that get paid the same for making  a 40 minute cd and you still pay the same $15-$20 as opposed to another artist like tool who may shell out awesome work which is like a 65 - 70 minute cd and quality artwork. I just think that we the consumer have gotten ripped off for so long that now in this new era muscians and artists actually have to work harder for their money. On a final note though I strongly believe that if the artist is good enough then people will buy their music. and buckets has LEs and what not that people buy as a collectors item.. so pirating it defeats  the purpose..
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: slunkatron on January 19, 2012, 01:15:17 pm
I don\'t have a problem with trying to prevent piracy, but SOPA does so in a heavy handed and clumsy way.  It is more about controlling the internet than it is about piracy.  SOPA would have potentially devastating effects on the ability to freely pass information on the internet.  Fore example, d you really want the government deciding what sites are allowed to appear in an internet search?  SOPA is a terrible, terrible peice of legislation and deserves to fail miserably.  It is just like the government to identify a problem and then come up with a terrible way to deal with it (see the "war on drugs" for another great example of this).
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: poulet333 on January 19, 2012, 05:36:31 pm
i think there is a paradox : thank to internet, to buy a cd is very cheap these days (lots of good website which sell good music cds with cheap prices). with those online cd shops (like the" tdrs store" here), I buy cds from websites located in many different countries, delivered to me, it\'s great. i love to live in 2012! (and i love cds). SOPA is punishment, SOPA is useless. the answerof the music industry problem is "on which type of material, music can be sold to people ?" (cd ?, a new type of memory card ? [microsd card], micro usb key?...? I\'m "old fashion" and I hate to pay for" non physic" music (mp3, Itune,..[..I bought only one song in my life on itune : it\'s the one BH made for japan after the tsunami...]) because if you have a problem with your hard disk, you loose everything.
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: beelzeBob on January 19, 2012, 08:34:31 pm
QuoteI actually don\'t really mind this legislation. Maybe people will start getting paid for their hard work!

I bet buckethead has lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because of piracy.

It\'s time to get paid and make the music industry more lucrative.

I bet BH has gained ten thousand fans from "pirated" music.

He also was very permissable about bootleg live shows.

But, I agree he deserves to make some money.
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: T-Man on January 19, 2012, 10:50:35 pm
Copyright infringement is wrong, and so is SOPA.
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: SAUCE on January 20, 2012, 05:20:39 pm
Bootleggers are the ones that make downloading music fucked up. People that make,buy or sell bootlegs are the real crooks. The people that download music have no intention of buying music. I agree it is dumb. But music lovers and collectors alike are what keeps the industry afloat. And i wont lie if i just ordered an LP in the mail. I\'ll download it so i have it on my PC. Cause i don\'t want to rip it from LP to PC. People need to realize that SOPA has more to do with them getting one step closer to controlling our every move then it does with copyright laws. Thats just the easy way for them to get the support they need. Our freedom is controlled by the options were given. And they take them away ALL THE TIME.
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: Bucketfel on January 21, 2012, 07:43:48 am
I completly disagree with Bucketdog but i get what he is saying.

In my oppinion SOPA is in part the response from big label\'s failure to adapt to current times. I know that SOPA isnt restricted to just music but when i heard from this back in september, it was much more scary than the one they have revised now but it still thratens everything online. If it were to pass and i put a freaking picture of the enterprise riding a unicorn while darth vader is in the back, this site could be immediately shut down. In the same sense i make Buckethead tabs and i post them online, according to what i know that is also copyright infringment and so far they are on the .tk, Ultimate Guitar and Youtube. I alone would have been the cause of the shut down of the biggest advertisement sites for Buckethead\'s carreer. Last time i checked, that would be the last Buckethead would need.
He doesnt get mainstream attention and yes, he has gained a lot of followers by pirates who download music (myself included), but at the same time its because of that i now buy albums (specially Big B\'s albums).
Bucketdog, you might say that Buckethead is lossing a ton of money. In my point of view its the other way arround.

In any case, that abomination is now dead but im counting the days it will take before another law like SOPA appears
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: pigebear on January 27, 2012, 11:19:31 am
QuoteBootleggers are the ones that make downloading music fucked up. People that make,buy or sell bootlegs are the real crooks. The people that download music have no intention of buying music. I agree it is dumb. But music lovers and collectors alike are what keeps the industry afloat. And i wont lie if i just ordered an LP in the mail. I\'ll download it so i have it on my PC. Cause i don\'t want to rip it from LP to PC. People need to realize that SOPA has more to do with them getting one step closer to controlling our every move then it does with copyright laws. Thats just the easy way for them to get the support they need. Our freedom is controlled by the options were given. And they take them away ALL THE TIME.

People who make bootlegs from artist that allow filming or recordings (Like Bckethead and Primus) are not the same as the Assholes selling there recordings! Tradeing free on torrent sites of these allowed shows is not the problem. Paint me with a broad brush stroke and I do the same to you!
P.S. If Stuck up Pricks like maynard think it is ok to charge 100$ a ticket for their show then I desrve to be able to record the music. "Once it hits the air it is free for all to share!" Quote me !
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: SAUCE on January 30, 2012, 05:07:44 pm
you took the word "bootlegs" wrong. how about "nock offs" cause I\'m talking about people who make,buy and sell "FAKES" does what i say make sense now cause i agree with you. And further more If they don\'t sell it i don\'t pay for it. sry but if its out of print i don\'t pay for it(unless i can pay for an mp3 ver). and tool does charge way to much for shit. they make a music video and then sell it on a dvd for like 15 bucks. FOR ONE VIDEO. When other bands will just make a dvd with a bunch of videos and sell it for 20 and you\'ll get all the singles off of one album. or even more sometimes
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: SAUCE on January 30, 2012, 05:08:42 pm
Quote

"Once it hits the air it is free for all to share!" Quote me !



+1
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: bucketdog2 on January 31, 2012, 09:15:22 pm
I looked through the sopa act a little more and def disagree with it now. I\'m just upset about the piracy and "sharing" going on. It really makes the music industry less lucrative... Unless you\'re a Justin bieber sort of act. Oh well...
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: BassMental on February 03, 2012, 12:42:41 am
I think in this digital age we live in, artists must find other ways to make up for the money lost due to piracy. For example more touring or other types of merch. I also feel that if I like an artist and download some of their tunes, I will share it with my friends, turning one fan into multiple. As a result when that artist comes to town and myself and those I have turned on to them  go se em they will have sold more tickets and merch at the show than the may have previously.
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: DisembodiedLoaf on February 03, 2012, 02:19:37 am
He could come up with a clever SOPA song. If I were to do one, it would consist of a robotic voice saying "This audio has been removed by the United States Federal Government in order to maintain compliance with the SOPA act."
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: piikea on February 06, 2012, 02:27:00 am
The least any governments restrict the internet the better.
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: pigebear on January 25, 2015, 02:01:27 pm
Live unreleased is OK, Official releases are what we should not share or download. I made several attempts to get the Pikes off
Youtube but because I do not own the rights youtube will do nothing. That ha hurt Buckets Profits a great deal
Title: Re: Buckethead SOPA
Post by: ultra plinian on January 26, 2015, 12:08:12 am
SOPA is garbage. I don't agree with it at all. I have no problem with combating piracy. Any person that illegally profits off of another person's intellectual and artistic property should be held accountable. But using law enforcement to restrict ISPs and forcing what end users can and cannot access on the internet is an abomination of Western culture and personal freedom. That's no different than telling a person what they can and cannot say, write or think. It's total horseshit.

If you are an aspiring musician, go out and perform in front of people. If you are worth your salt, you'll build a fan base and you will make money. Now you might not be able to quit your day job unless you really are great at it. If you're trying to get rich quick, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons anyway. I'm really sorry that the CEOs and corporate boards at these old megalithic record labels are no longer making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. It should have never been about them to begin with. It should have always been about the musicians and artists from the start.

Look at a small studio/label like TDRS. Travis has to pay the bills. He's got to keep the lights on. He has overhead. But I'm quite certain if it wasn't for fans spreading and sharing the good word and music of artists that frequent his studio, he wouldn't exist at all. You've got to have artists that have fans. Fans come to the performances. Fans buy shirts. Fans collect. Oh, they still buy the music too.

I'll give you another example. Take an artist like Steven Wilson. He is hardly mainstream. Yet, he supports himself, his label, his own personal studio, he mixes and remixes, takes on a huge amount of projects. There is no way he would survive if he did not tour and support his loyal fan base that in return buys those signed CDs, vinyls and collector's editions. It's no different with Buckethead. Loyal fans support their favorite musicians. This will never change. That is the point and SOPA totally misses it.

If I may further add to this. Google owns YouTube. There are hundreds of millions of people using that service every day. Every person with an account has the ability to upload music to be streamed there. You can find just about any album that has ever existed to stream for free because of this. A lot of artists don't push the issue because, let us be realistic here, who doesn't search and watch music on YouTube? Can you name me a single person that uses YouTube that does not do this? How many albums do you "preview" on YouTube before you go and buy it? A lot of artists don't even bother combating the infringement issue anymore. Even the major labels that do push to get stuff removed see after a few days or weeks, sure enough, someone else has uploaded the same music. Do I think it is right for someone to put my music up for free on the world's most popular streaming site without my consent? No, I don't. Am I going to go ape shit about it? No, I'm not. The task is insurmountable. I have better things to do with my time and life. Though, funny that I'm probably going to be interested in how many people are viewing it, and hoping those same people are paying to come to my shows. Perhaps they'll support me and buy a physical copy or purchase to download the album to their music device. Do I want the government involved in this matter? Hell no. The government will just find a way to make matters worse. Is one government going to police every person that lives on this planet that has access to the internet? How much tax payer money is going to be involved in this fiasco? On the other hand, is it even really about music? By what means of privacy will they be allowed to scrutinize just to see what's on every person's file server? What personal rights will be absolved in the name of "copyright infringement." This is a judicial nightmare and I just don't trust governments legislating bills that potentially restrict personal freedoms that have nothing to do with file sharing. SOPA is a bad idea. Ironically, I bet your average senator or congressmen is YouTubing music just the same as everyone else. Like I said before, if you are a fan of an artist, you're going to support them one way or the other. If you don't, well, you'll regret the day that artist is no longer creating anything. As for the artist versus Google/YouTube, well, YouTube advertises on just about every video they host. If they are making money on material they don't own the rights too and you find your music on YouTube without your consent. you should be able to contact Google to have it removed or discuss reimbursement. After all, they're pissing into your pot and making money off of it to boot. If your going to host it and make money off it, you should be liable for it. But that should be left up to the artist/label to pursue in litigation, not the federal government.