... this CD is bad ass!!!!!
but worth hundreds?
Apparently so. I've just seen a copy on eBay go for 31 pounds. He's a lucky bastard whoever he is, because I've seen it listed for upwards of 150 quid and sell. Absolutely crazy. The sooner it's repressed the sooner we can stop people making absurd profit on albums.
It isn't really worth that much, but since it's currently out of print the amount of copies available give people the opportunity to overprice it rediculously. If you ask me, an album which is out of print for only a certain amount of time doesn't mean it is worth more money for that same amount of time. It isn't the same as LE's which have a certain number of copies and are only limited to that number. If it's only out of print for the time being and has a chance of being repressed then it's still a product which is reproduceable and available to everyone.
This is such a great album! Haven't listened to it in a few weeks though :'( So many awesome tracks...but Imprint is my favorite! :)
I was struck by how 'metal' it was; all melodic and crunchy. One of my favorites.
Quote from: X on May 09, 2012, 08:41:34 pm
It isn't really worth that much,
its worth exactly what people are willing to pay.
and dont forget these are original pressings.
Quote from: deadite on May 11, 2012, 12:37:16 am
its worth exactly what people are willing to pay.
and dont forget these are original pressings.
I haven't seen anyone buy the copies that are on sale for over $300 so it still doesn't seem like it's worth
that much money.
Well, my copy is worth $245.00 to me... I love it! I got one of the last ones. It was officially oop shortly after I bought my copy.
My copy would have been worth something...until the case cracked after I dropped it >:( Oh well, disc is in perfect shape. I think I may have either bought the last copy or second to last copy, because after I bought it, a few days later, it went out of print!
Quote from: DroidHunter13 on May 13, 2012, 07:35:39 pm
My copy would have been worth something...until the case cracked after I dropped it >:( Oh well, disc is in perfect shape. I think I may have either bought the last copy or second to last copy, because after I bought it, a few days later, it went out of print!
Simply swap the cases? As long as the insert is fine, just transfer everything over.
Quote from: In Search Of The on May 15, 2012, 08:57:44 pm
Quote from: DroidHunter13 on May 13, 2012, 07:35:39 pm
My copy would have been worth something...until the case cracked after I dropped it >:( Oh well, disc is in perfect shape. I think I may have either bought the last copy or second to last copy, because after I bought it, a few days later, it went out of print!
Simply swap the cases? As long as the insert is fine, just transfer everything over.
PFFT I knew that! (Quickly swaps cases while no one is looking) ::) hehe. But that was kinda stoopid of me to not even think of that at first. Looks like i gotta wear the dunce hat ;)
Quote from: DroidHunter13 on May 16, 2012, 02:15:52 amPFFT I knew that! (Quickly swaps cases while no one is looking) ::) hehe. But that was kinda stoopid of me to not even think of that at first. Looks like i gotta wear the dunce hat ;)
It's not the most embarassing thing not to know that. I've gotten used to having to do that since 19% of albums that you purchase online and 4% that you purchase in record stores have jewel cases that are already broken. I usually always have some spare cases lying around when I'm expecting new albums in the mail since they're so often broken. However, if all the albums you've gotten are from Buckethead's Toystore then you probably wouldn't need to know that. Buckethead's albums are probably the most well packaged out of all the albums I've gotten in the mail (Meshuggah is a pretty close tie, though) when it comes to having unbroken CD cases.
Yeah, even though I live in the UK, I've only had one problem regarding damage of the countless CDs I've bought, and Travis was quick to respond, replying in about an hour and offering a swap.
Just noticed that new(!) copies of Pepper's Ghost are available from Amazon for 20€.
Couldn't hold back and ordered one right away. Though I wonder whether this is a true or just some fake...
Sorry to say, but it looks like fake. I bought one and got a refund. The art is a lot darker than the original one, and apparently the matrix under the CD is different. Apparently, 'cause I kept it sealed, but we didn't get a confirmation on that.
Quote from: mrpancakes on June 23, 2012, 01:28:31 pm
Sorry to say, but it looks like fake. I bought one and got a refund.
Thanks for the info. I suspected that. May I ask: You also bought from the reseller called "rare_music_corner" ? ???
Quote from: mrpancakes on June 23, 2012, 01:28:31 pmThe art is a lot darker than the original one, and apparently the matrix under the CD is different. Apparently, 'cause I kept it sealed, but we didn't get a confirmation on that.
I don't have the CD yet. We'll see if it ever arrives. International shipping to my location usually takes several weeks.
Also I won't be able to verify the disc, because I don't have a "genuine" one to compare.
But after all a decent "reproduction" would be better than nothing. With "decent" I mean it's a silver (pressed) disc and doesn't have any obvious defects.
Of course I wouldn't hesitate to buy another "approved" copy directly from TDRS, in case it ever becomes available again...
I bought my copy on Amazon.com, from a seller called best-music-service, it came from the UK. I believe it's the same seller, just a different name for .com and .uk. When I got mine, I kept it sealed, compared it with one bought from eBay a long time ago (which is officialy from here, TDRS), art is A LOT darker. I contacted the seller, shipped it back and got money the next day. I don't believe it's the seller's fault. He has good feedback and all...
But when you get your copy, and if you open it, you could compare the matrix/numbers under the CD on Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/Buckethead-Peppers-Ghost/release/925939 and see if it's a pressed CD or CD-R. Or just contact Travis lol.
Hope it helps ;)
That is really sad to hear...i just ordered two copies from the same seller, i knew it was too good to be true :( . So when you contacted the seller, what did you say exactily to get the refund back?
I said I had reasons to believe it was fake. Simple as that, the guy was real nice about it. I know I'm not the only one who asked for a refund.
UPDATE: People claim it's legit.
Though, I still have my doubts.
Quote from: mrpancakes on June 26, 2012, 09:54:30 pm
UPDATE: People claim it's legit.
You have some more details? What is the source of that information?
Buckethead.TK
A bot posted pics of the album he received. Art is darker, same matrix under the CD, though it has a ring on top of it, on the print. That's what bugs me. But other bots claimed it's legit.
I guess only Travis could answer this question.
This CD was pressed twice. Both by the same broker for us but not nessasary the same pressing plant. So you could see two different looks to the printing and two different matrix numbers. We sold one pressing here at TDRS and the other was given to a national distributor that promptly went bankrupt and took all the stock with them. Though I did manage to get some of it back I'm sure some of it was brokered off by the bankruptcy court and could well have ended up at various resellers. The reseller your talking about here probably is not pirating, they are too big and well established. It's possible they unknowingly bought counterfeits but it's just as likely they came across some of this left over bankruptcy stock. I don't have any copies here but we sold the first pressing here so most that bought them here have those. We also sold some of the returns from the distributor I got back before the rest were impounded by the bankruptcy court. So you sould be able to compair the matrix numbers on the ring of the CD. If you see more than two different numbers we have a counterfeiter. If there are only two it probably the two different pressings we did.
Thanks for the information, Travis!
My copy has this barcode: PEPPER'S GHOST F1 CD 0220-0466 LMW/CA #2
Let's take for example RobotPie's copy, I know he has this one: 347 PEPPERS 022007 IFPI LT05
I've seen his pics, and none of us has the ring cut on the printing of the disc...
Anyway, if it's legit, I'm glad for those who bought one :)
Well, like I said I don't have any copies so I can't tell you the numbers on the discs we sold here but there should be two different numbers. If we see three we have a problem.
I bought mine from TDRS days after it was released. My findings ... printed on the underside of the CD is "347 PEPPERS 022007" and under the 347 in super micro print is "IFPI LT05". Barcode # on the back of the CD Case: 8 06838 14142 3. Additional findings ... THIS CD STILL KICKS MAJOR ASS.
Quote from: dewclaw on June 27, 2012, 11:32:00 pm
Additional findings ... THIS CD STILL KICKS MAJOR ASS.
Hahaha true! One of my favorites!!!
Quote from: MuldeR on June 23, 2012, 12:39:49 am
Just noticed that new(!) copies of Pepper's Ghost are available from Amazon for 20€.
Couldn't hold back and ordered one right away. Though I wonder whether this is a true or just some fake...
Amazon has 2 new for 130 a piece canadian, which seems like a good deal compared to some of the other numbers being thrown around in this thread
Got my disc, the one that I ordered from Amazon recently, today.
The bad news: The case is damaged. The good news: The disc itself and the booklet look fine.
The code on the "data" side of the disc is 347 PEPPER 022007 and there also is a tiny IFPI LT05 code below.
Seems to match the info dewclaw posted. It's also one of the two codes discogs.com is showing :)
Just swap the case for another CD. :) Glad to hear it's a genuine one.
Just in case anybody is interested, here are some pics of the CD that I bought from "rare_music_corner" on Amazon recently:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/5v57ao_th.jpg) (http://i50.tinypic.com/5v57ao.jpg) (http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2w4dl_th.jpg) (http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2w4dl.jpg) (http://i46.tinypic.com/2463rkg_th.jpg) (http://i46.tinypic.com/2463rkg.jpg)
I've just received the peppers ghost CD that i bought for only 14 euros on Amazon.fr. The number on it is PEPPER'S GHOST F1 CD 0220-0466 LMW/CA #2, so I guess it s not fake. I think there are a few more left but they are new ( I bought a used one) and it s possible they dont ship to your country.
I found a brand new copy at my local record store for $15.99 I hadn't been there in 5 years and 5 years earlier they had it...I couldn't believe it was sitting there. The same shop had a copy of ISOT for $35 and LE blueprints for $10. i got the blue prints but couldnt afford the isot at the time...kicked myself but at least I got pepper's now.
what's the name of the record store? I need that ISOT.
Quote from: Keith_SIO on July 20, 2012, 10:48:39 pm
I found a brand new copy at my local record store for $15.99 I hadn't been there in 5 years and 5 years earlier they had it...I couldn't believe it was sitting there. The same shop had a copy of ISOT for $35 and LE blueprints for $10. i got the blue prints but couldnt afford the isot at the time...kicked myself but at least I got pepper's now.
Quote from: MuldeR on July 05, 2012, 11:54:14 pm
Just in case anybody is interested, here are some pics of the CD that I bought from "rare_music_corner" on Amazon recently:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/5v57ao_th.jpg) (http://i50.tinypic.com/5v57ao.jpg) (http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2w4dl_th.jpg) (http://i48.tinypic.com/2m2w4dl.jpg) (http://i46.tinypic.com/2463rkg_th.jpg) (http://i46.tinypic.com/2463rkg.jpg)
This copy is fake, the artwork is dull, the genuine copy doesn't have the ring on the label side near the center hole. Also the matrix area on the genuine copy is darker on the silver side.
Anyone who bought theirs from TDRS will see that theirs will be different to this if they look closely. I sent Travis emails about these Amazon fakes but unfortunately he thought I was wrong. Maybe now, he will believe me.
Genuine Pressing pics are below
(http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-925939-1360813174-1280.jpeg)
(http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-925939-1203223999.jpeg)
Well, Travis already said that there were different variants, because it got pressed twice. So if this one differs from your copy, that does not yet prove it is a "fake".
Anyway, even if it was a "fake", why make a fuss? The album has been out of print for a very long time and there are, unfortunately, no plans for a re-release. Personally I would love to buy a 100% genuine copy of that album directly from TDRS. But as long as that isn't possible, I prefer to have a decent reproduction rather than nothing. Sure, this would mean the reseller is cheating the customers and that's not a good thing. I certainly would be annoyed, if I had payed like $100 for something that turns out to be a "fake". But the price was pretty much "okay" for me, so I don't worry much...
Quote from: MuldeR on February 21, 2013, 03:51:33 pm
Anyway, even if it was a "fake", why make a fuss?
are you serious. a fake is a fake and aint worth shit. geniune out of print copies are only going to go up in value.
if you want a decent reproduction just download it off itunes.
what i dont get is how does the counterfieter get the matrix and ifpi exact down to a tee yet screws up the printing?
Quote from: deadite on February 22, 2013, 11:13:20 am
Quote from: MuldeR on February 21, 2013, 03:51:33 pm
Anyway, even if it was a "fake", why make a fuss?
are you serious. a fake is a fake and aint worth shit. geniune out of print copies are only going to go up in value.
if you want a decent reproduction just download it off itunes.
First of all, we still don't know for sure it is a fake. There are people who say they have an original directly from TDRS and that the disc from Amazon "looks different". Okay. But at the same time we know that there are different pressings of that album, which
might be the explanation. So I'm not 100% sure, only ~90% ;)
Secondly, I don't care how much "worth" a CD is or might become, because I like the CD for the music and not for the money it is worth. Also I'm not going to sell any of my CD's. For me it is important to have a pressed ("silver") CD for my personal collection. An MP3 file doesn't make me happy :-[
Also, listening to some MP3 files just isn't the same as putting a CD into my hi-fi system and taking the time to listen to the complete album. But that's just my personal opinion...
(BTW: For me iTunes isn't an option anyway. A company that sells so-called "high end" devices and then dictates their customers which programs they are allowed to install/use and which not, simply doesn't deserve to earn a single cent. But that's another story ^^)
i actually agree with what you say there mulder. i am a collcetor and have been collecting since i was 11 and i am proud of my collection and would never sell any of it. but its still awesome to have out of print stuff thats worth heaps. i regret not buying Elephant mans alarm clock cd. I downloaded it (when you coould do that on this site) because i couldnt wait for it to arrive in the mail.
Quote from: MuldeR on February 21, 2013, 03:51:33 pm
Well, Travis already said that there were different variants, because it got pressed twice. So if this one differs from your copy, that does not yet prove it is a "fake".
Anyway, even if it was a "fake", why make a fuss?
Don't shoot the messenger.
As a collector it's important to me to have the real thing and I am just letting others here know so they are informed before paying good money for a fake.
I am glad you enjoy your copy, but unfortunately neither Buckethead or Travis made a cent from your CD even though it is their work.
On top of that the CD has funded organised criminals who probably commit crimes much worse than pirating.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+CD+MAFIA%3B+Music+pirates+flood+UK+with+pounds+5+discs.-a060957783 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+CD+MAFIA%3B+Music+pirates+flood+UK+with+pounds+5+discs.-a060957783)
what i dont get is how does the counterfieter get the matrix and ifpi exact down to a tee yet screws up the printing?
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Because a photocopy is never going to have the quality of the original. Still it's good enough to fool most people as you can see from the feedback and mass sales of these sellers.
Quote from: davo on February 23, 2013, 12:00:38 pmAs a collector it's important to me to have the real thing and I am just letting others here know so they are informed before paying good money for a fake.
You are right.
Quote from: davo on February 23, 2013, 12:00:38 pmI am glad you enjoy your copy, but unfortunately neither Buckethead or Travis made a cent from your CD even though it is their work.
That's why I'd always buy at TDRS or Buckethead Pikes first - if possible. But if they don't re-release CD's that go out of print, they won't make a cent from these CD's either :(
Unfortunately Travis already explained that re-releasing old CD's is too expensive for them. It won't pay off. So we have a dilemma here...
Quote from: davo on February 23, 2013, 12:00:38 pmOn top of that the CD has funded organised criminals who probably commit crimes much worse than pirating.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+CD+MAFIA%3B+Music+pirates+flood+UK+with+pounds+5+discs.-a060957783 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+CD+MAFIA%3B+Music+pirates+flood+UK+with+pounds+5+discs.-a060957783)
While I don't want to doubt that such things happen, it's a bit farfetched here, I think.
(It's hard to believe the "CD Mafia" would choose exactly
this almost-unknown CD, when there are thousands of "main stream" CD's that probably would have a MUCH bigger market)
There's more profit for OOP titles. If there is a market for people like yourself to pay $30 odd dollars for a CD which costs them less than a dollar to make then it's easy money.
I complained about a CD being pirated by one of these Ebay sellers and he shut down most of my auctions from his numerous accounts reporting to Ebay that I was selling fakes. I didnot sell on that account for a year fearing it would be suspended.
These people are ruthless.
It's kind of good for collectors like myself when things get counterfeited because it makes it cheaper for me to buy the genuine article. Some sellers have no idea an item is counterfeited so if they see one selling at a low price sometimes they will sell it for that or cheaper :-)
On the other hand, it can be pretty disappointing to receive a fake item. That's why I try to do my research.
Quote from: davo on February 24, 2013, 04:06:24 am
There's more profit for OOP titles. If there is a market for people like yourself to pay $30 odd dollars for a CD which costs them less than a dollar to make then it's easy money.
I complained about a CD being pirated by one of these Ebay sellers and he shut down most of my auctions from his numerous accounts reporting to Ebay that I was selling fakes. I didnot sell on that account for a year fearing it would be suspended.
These people are ruthless.
It's kind of good for collectors like myself when things get counterfeited because it makes it cheaper for me to buy the genuine article. Some sellers have no idea an item is counterfeited so if they see one selling at a low price sometimes they will sell it for that or cheaper :-)
On the other hand, it can be pretty disappointing to receive a fake item. That's why I try to do my research.
One of the problems with some martrix codes from smaller companies is that the codes are easy to replicate whereas the more professional matrixes say like on a Japanese CD are usually more difficult to get right. Dull artwork is always something that makes me suspicious. If you want to avoid fakes, try to stay away from UK sellers selling big amounts of new CD's at very cheap prices. Also your majority of Eastern European (ex Soviet countries) sellers who sell new are selling fakes.