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Title: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on March 28, 2012, 06:21:37 pm
Please post here if you want SBTS to be re-pressed and you are sure you will buy it. Write also the number of copies you'd buy.

I had this idea reading a post on .TK and guessed I could give it a try since SBTS is impossible to find at a reasonable price. :'( I'd rather give money here than pay $50 or more for it. Hope this will help TDRS to re-press it !

So, I'm committing to buy 2 copies of SBTS !!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: postal on March 28, 2012, 06:34:48 pm
I would buy 2 copies as well. Good idea mrpancakes!  8)
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on March 28, 2012, 06:36:44 pm
Thx :) Now let's spread the word !!!!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Inferno on March 28, 2012, 06:49:08 pm
I also would buy 2 copies!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: beatenwithsledges on March 28, 2012, 07:38:02 pm
i would definitely buy at least one copy.

:-)
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Bucketmuir_Sagan on March 28, 2012, 08:18:07 pm
Put me down for two!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: DroidHunter13 on March 28, 2012, 08:28:49 pm
1 copy!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Tempbucketdog on March 28, 2012, 09:44:13 pm
YUUUP!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on March 28, 2012, 09:48:53 pm
Quote from: Tempbucketdog on March 28, 2012, 09:44:13 pm
YUUUP!


Sooo... We can count you in for 1 copy I guess ;)
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Mattsie on March 28, 2012, 11:34:21 pm
I'd have to take one also c:
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: seether18244 on March 29, 2012, 12:59:17 am
I would order a copy.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: DroidHunter13 on March 29, 2012, 02:41:13 am
I hope we hear information from Travis about this album and whether it will be repressed in the near future or not...we really need somewhere to buy this album without paying absurd amounts of money for a CD!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: poulet333 on March 29, 2012, 04:55:20 am
2 copies for me,   oui mon ami
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Tempbucketdog on March 29, 2012, 11:25:58 am
Quote from: mrpancakes on March 28, 2012, 09:48:53 pm
Quote from: Tempbucketdog on March 28, 2012, 09:44:13 pm
YUUUP!


Sooo... We can count you in for 1 copy I guess ;)


YUUUP ! Lol hell yeah!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on March 29, 2012, 06:46:46 pm
15 copies !! Come on !! Keep on posting, it only takes 2-3 mintues to register if you're not !! Let's get this album re-pressed bots !!! Damn, I would pre-order now if I could !!!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Travis on March 29, 2012, 08:54:39 pm
I get a thread like this here every few months. As people come and go new people ask and so it's been addressed many time but it maybe helpful to read this thread for some background:

http://www.tdrsmusic.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1196.0

We tried this over two years ago and the re-press still hasn't paid for itself. The problem is there are a small core of fans to begin with. Half of a new pressing sells in a few months then the rest can take a couple of years. After that it ones and twos. When a CD get to that point there are at most 30 maybe, if a big effort is under way, 40 people who would really pay to repress.

There are a number of other threads here about this. We have brain stormed a bunch of options but in the end it's just supply and demand. Unless the option to do one offs or on demand is on the table (also been discussed here). There are other distribution issues at play now as well, but I'm still willing to kick it around.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on March 29, 2012, 09:29:43 pm
I totally understand about this. I wasn't aware of that thread, thx ! I can see how long it took. But in my opinion, Shadows would sell really fast with a little promotion. And personally, I wouldn't mind at all paying more for it. Again, as you stated in another thread, I wouldn't mind receiving only the CD and the printed goods, and I supply the case. Maybe it could be re-pressed in lower quantities too. I'm throwing in some old ideas, but seriously, I'm sure it would sell faster than Diamond and Prairie with some kind of promotion around the net.

I fear that no so many people are posting on this thread thinking it's waste of time, but if it ever gets to the real thing of pre-orders, from reading on many websites, I'm sure it would sell. I'm also going to donate to TDRS soon (when I get my paycheck) hoping it can help in the re-impression !
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Bucketfel on March 29, 2012, 11:24:53 pm
Travis, most of us want this to happen. Here is the solution:

If there isnt any legal mumbo-jumbo to be solved and what you are worried is that when people swear they will buy but eventually dont, simply start a kickstart page.
Ive seen some people use it, mostly youtube figures trying to get funds for bigger projects and even some videogame creators trying to get this directly to fans. Maybe you can start a page there and let us fund the repress. Then you will not have to worry about those who say they will help but eventually dont.

Please look into this page and i hope this helps.

http://www.kickstarter.com/
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Riffwraith on March 30, 2012, 02:21:33 pm
Finally signing up to TDRS just to say this, I am most sincerely down for 2 copies.

A point I'd like to raise is the last copy of this on ebay was $214. This must mean there are at least a few people willing to pay the same amount 10 copies would cost originally, so I'm hoping even if there aren't 100 people or however many, if it averaged out about 2 a person that sounds closer to how many the 'core' fan base might include. They do make great gifts, don't ya know!

Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Keith_SIO on March 30, 2012, 10:45:23 pm
I'd buy 1.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Matthew on March 31, 2012, 12:16:28 am
Although i do know Travis has touched on this subject before, you could put me down for one copy. I already own a copy, but if it helps to get it repressed it wouldnt hurt to own a second one.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: bingeneer on March 31, 2012, 12:34:05 pm
I would also buy 2 copies, if it helps to get a repressing.  I really want this cd, but I'm not going to pay those crazy ebay prices!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: dewclaw on March 31, 2012, 04:19:47 pm
what the heck..??!!? I just looked on ebay and this CD is going for over $100. I had to go pull my copy to listen to it again. I might have to throw it up on ebay so I can generate funds to buy the 10 CD box set. I bought a couple of the original ISOT disks but I could never comlete the collection.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: JTSwagger on April 01, 2012, 09:26:53 pm
I will buy 2 copies quaranteed
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Tempbucketdog on April 02, 2012, 12:30:47 pm
Mrpancakes,

I think the only solution would be for Travis to tell us exactly how many copies he would need to sell to cover the initial investment of repressing the discs. Then have a pre-order of that amount so Tdrs and bucket don't go into the "red" on this endeavor. So if we at least cover the initial cost, the rest will be gravy for them. Even if it takes a year or 2 to sell the rest it would still be worth it. I don't think there is enough posts here to make that happen...yet.

If all of you are really serious about this, perhaps Travis could shoot us a number of pre-orders he would like to get to before pressing. And a signed and numbered batch of repressings would make it a bit more desirable for bots that already have that wedge. Money talks and empty promises walks.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Tempbucketdog on April 02, 2012, 12:35:36 pm
I'd rather pay for a sbts LE than another best regards LE anyday. Maybe a different album cover with a bonus track or 2 for the LE batch too.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Riffwraith on April 02, 2012, 06:14:10 pm
Quote from: Tempbucketdog on April 02, 2012, 12:30:47 pm
Mrpancakes,

I think the only solution would be for Travis to tell us exactly how many copies he would need to sell to cover the initial investment of repressing the discs. Then have a pre-order of that amount so Tdrs and bucket don't go into the "red" on this endeavor. So if we at least cover the initial cost, the rest will be gravy for them. Even if it takes a year or 2 to sell the rest it would still be worth it. I don't think there is enough posts here to make that happen...yet.

If all of you are really serious about this, perhaps Travis could shoot us a number of pre-orders he would like to get to before pressing. And a signed and numbered batch of repressings would make it a bit more desirable for bots that already have that wedge. Money talks and empty promises walks.


This is basically the deal with the Kickstarter option. Lots of people 'pledge' however much they want towards a project within a certain time frame, and hopefully make enough to hit the target. If not, no money is taken and it's like it never happened and nothing is lost, but if we get to the right sum they would keep the lot and everyone involved gets a cd (or whatever else offered  ;) )

If I may use an example someone said in another forum, Ginger Wildheart has an album called 555% because that's how much he raised by the end. These seem to be fairly successful, need to go and find some stats somewhere...
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on April 02, 2012, 06:18:22 pm
^^That's basically what I was going to say. I agree with you, tempbucketdog, I don't think there's enough people asking for it now, but Kickstart or PledgeMusic is great way, in my opinion, to make this happen. And I agree too with what you said about the LEs.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on April 02, 2012, 06:27:04 pm
BTW, I had an email from Buckethead Pikes Service about SBTS. Here's what it says:

Nicolas,
It will be repressed at some time in the future. The release date is still to be determined.
Buckethead Pikes Service

What do you bots think ??
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Travis on April 02, 2012, 08:00:57 pm
I should chime in and comment. We have done something like this in the past. (Kickstarter, remember, they are a for profit company and and it costs about 10 percent after charge fees, a lot when such slim margins are involved.) We had people pre-pay over several months. Around 40 or so sales then commitments peter out. To really work we need around 100 just to pay for the pressing, we have never even come close to that in the past, and it seems it should really be folks that want it because they don't have it and really only need one (1), otherwise it's really not a fair supply and demand thing. Pressings are 1000 units minimum. There are several out of print CDs, as you can imagine the storage for unsold CDs is a real problem and they sell very slowly after they're first released, it can take years , way more then just a couple. So for several CDs it a problem in of itself.

The problem really is the nature of an independent artist with a  finite fan base. I'm just saying this so you all have some perspective on why re-pressings aren't automatic.

One last thing and I've mentioned this before in other threads. The CD's we have been talking about are the product of Bucketheadland, Buckethead's own label. In the past I have co-ordinated repressing on their behalf when asked to do so. Right now, the distribution for these is a little up in the air. I have not been asked to help with this and until I am, I'm going to assume it's a low priority or it's being done elsewhere. I'll pass along the interest in repressing and if there is anything I can do to help, I will.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on April 02, 2012, 08:21:02 pm
Thanks for the info, Travis, it's appreciated.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: tropicalrooster on April 02, 2012, 08:45:46 pm
Two copies for me, paypal or C-Card right away.

LOVE that album!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: X on April 03, 2012, 07:45:36 am
I'd like a copy as well. I can't promise to buy 2, but I'd consider buying a second if there are any leftovers.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: robotpie3000 on April 03, 2012, 03:51:33 pm
I'm desperate to own a copy of the album.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: In Search Of The on April 06, 2012, 03:34:58 pm
I've seen a couple on eBay for mammoth prices. I'm hoping it won't stay this way, as there's a lot of demand for this.

Just out of interest, what other releases are OOP and/or rare?
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: DroidHunter13 on April 06, 2012, 04:11:45 pm
Quote from: In Search Of The on April 06, 2012, 03:34:58 pm
I've seen a couple on eBay for mammoth prices. I'm hoping it won't stay this way, as there's a lot of demand for this.

Just out of interest, what other releases are OOP and/or rare?


Crime Slunk Scene, Elephant Man's Alarm Clock, Bolt On Neck, The 13th Scroll, and Pepper's Ghost
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Travis on April 06, 2012, 09:14:14 pm
Everyone agrees that these will be repressed.  Still need to work out details. Will try to get some answers for you sometime in May once things settle out from Aprils activities.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: skillzwitpillz on April 06, 2012, 10:12:43 pm
I'd buy at least 2 copies....and i just spent a ridiculous amount to get a used one.

This isn't the only CD in need of repressing, either. A number of his best albums are out of print.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: MuldeR on April 08, 2012, 02:07:38 pm
Quote from: skillzwitpillz on April 06, 2012, 10:12:43 pmThis isn't the only CD in need of repressing, either. A number of his best albums are out of print.


Pepper's Ghost  :-[

$344.95 on Amazon. That's simply too much for my budget :'(
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: bigdstouch on April 21, 2012, 07:13:30 pm
I did get sbts on ebay for a good price but a brand new shiny one would be sweeeeet
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: rustman1984 on April 22, 2012, 10:49:04 pm
i'm down for a copy and 1 for peppers ghost. i've bought all the cds off this site that i like from BH and paid over 100$ so my word is good. if a preorder pay now were in state to get em repressed, i'd do it. if that's the issue people npt paying after having said they would just have X amount of time for peple to pay and if the orders aren't don't meet the minimin requirment then call it off and never bother w/ it again. make us put the $$ were our mouth is.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Tempbucketdog on April 24, 2012, 04:03:38 pm
Quote from: rustman1984 on April 22, 2012, 10:49:04 pm
i'm down for a copy and 1 for peppers ghost. i've bought all the cds off this site that i like from BH and paid over 100$ so my word is good. if a preorder pay now were in state to get em repressed, i'd do it. if that's the issue people npt paying after having said they would just have X amount of time for peple to pay and if the orders aren't don't meet the minimin requirment then call it off and never bother w/ it again. make us put the $$ were our mouth is.


I think Travis just stated they will be moving forward with the repress after some details are worked out.  ;)
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Bucketbotjr on April 25, 2012, 05:54:35 pm
I would definately buy a copy of Shadows Between the Sky and a copy of Peppers Ghost. Actually, any cd that may be re-pressed I would buy a copy of.  :)
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: SHRED on May 09, 2012, 08:28:26 pm
[ Please re-press it now !! I absolutely want a copy !!
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: DroidHunter13 on May 10, 2012, 02:10:24 am
I wonder if Travis could give us some information soon about the album...he did say he would give us some details sometime this month...hope he gives us good news and that it gets repressed real soon!    :D
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: X on May 24, 2012, 01:57:52 am
Any new information? Since Balloon Cement is out now, it seems like the question of Shadows being repressed is up in the air again.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: tropicalrooster on May 28, 2012, 08:06:04 pm
Is it possible to re-release The Elephant Man's Alarm Clock as well? I am so mad that I discovered Bucket this late... and this album, i just gotta collect it and put into my stash!! :-[
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on June 02, 2012, 01:24:10 pm
Yep, so May past and nothing happened...
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Tempbucketdog on June 02, 2012, 05:22:35 pm
Quote from: mrpancakes on June 02, 2012, 01:24:10 pm
Yep, so May past and nothing happened...
:'(
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Travis on June 02, 2012, 06:24:19 pm
Yep, sorry. I just haven't heard what the plans are for these CDs.  the best I can do is as soon as I hear I'll post it.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: mrpancakes on June 02, 2012, 07:35:19 pm
Thank you Travis :)
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: X on August 08, 2012, 06:45:17 pm
Still no news on the repress yet? :-\
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: -B- on April 06, 2013, 09:26:09 pm
I'm in for a copy of Shadows if it gets repressed.  I also bid for Elephant Man, Pepper's Ghost, and Crime Slunk Scene as well.  I just can't pay an arm and a leg for them.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: N4NunoN8 on June 21, 2014, 06:01:49 pm
I'd be in for 2-3 shadows cd.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: DroidHunter13 on June 23, 2014, 02:44:04 am
As much as we all (including myself) want this to happen, it probably never will. I'd be down for a copy of this CD.

Even if Travis (or whoever is in charge of repressing this particular CD) did have this repressed, I wouldn't mind paying something like $25 for it.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: kbay on July 10, 2014, 09:03:45 pm
i'll take two ... also need captain EO too
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: pepper in eyes on October 04, 2014, 09:58:57 pm
I made an account here just to post in this thread. Please re-press this album! This and Captain EO are fantastic but can't be found anywhere.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: Travis on October 05, 2014, 02:41:34 pm
This is an old thread but things have not changed. These CDs are not TDRS and so I don't have any say about repressing them, thats up to Bucketheadland. My guess though is these will never be repressed. For all the reasons we have talked about above . The market for CDs has only gotten weaker and for CDs that have already sold 1000 copies there just is no incentive to pony up the pressing costs, it would take years to sell enough to pay for the pressing and actually from past experience, they never would.
Title: Re: Shadows Between The Sky re-press thread
Post by: pepper in eyes on October 05, 2014, 04:09:47 pm
That's a shame. Would Bucket ever do a kickstarter or something to guarantee enough people would be interested? Obviously the Pikes are his main focus now but he's put out a lot of great music that's so hard to get ahold of, I know I could download the album but it's just not the same.