Robert Quine died this weekend - may he rest easily.
:(So Did Ronald Reagan R.I.P.
Chris
indeed, yet here\'s some food for thought...
http://www.gregpalast.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~stayclean/bio.html
the quine site will be changing to //www.robertquine.com in a day or two due to high volume on the site.
Here\'s some more food for thought on Reagan:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=54&ItemID=5683
[glb]If you\'re short on time, read the link below that I just added. It\'s a case example of U.S. policy towards El Salvador under Reagan: [/glb]
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/centralamerica/ElSalvador.html
Here\'s an excerpt:
"According to Rev. Santiago, macabre scenes of this kind aren't uncommon.
\'People are not just killed by death squads in El Salvador -- they are decapitated and then their heads are placed on pikes and used to dot the landscape. Men are not just disemboweled by the Salvadoran Treasury Police; their severed genitalia are stuffed into their mouths. Salvadoran women are not just raped by the National Guard; their wombs are cut from their bodies and used to cover their faces. It is not enough to kill children; they are dragged over barbed wire until the flesh falls from their bones, while parents are forced to watch.\'
Rev. Santiago goes on to point out that violence of this sort greatly increased when the Church began forming peasant associations and self-help groups in an attempt to organize the poor."
thank you for that. :-*
sadly, it\'s no surprise to me - early childhood early 60\'s Brasil taught me loads about people disappearing, torture, etc. - the horrifying experiences of one of my parents\' closest friends gives a whole different meaning to the phrase "wired pussy" you see in porn spam subject lines. her husband\'s lot was worse. US gov\'t supported the military in Brasil because Goulart was seen as too left wing.
:\'(
Ray Charles has left us.
i doubt anyone gives a shit that ronald died.....especially the ones that suffered in the 80\'s becuase of that fuck.....well..your too young to understand chris....
that\'s the reason for the links to real data - if we don\'t educate, they\'re doomed to emulate. our outrage at this farce doesn\'t help them if we don\'t explain why we\'re outraged.
each generation has the opportunity to evolve or devolve - their choices are shaped by the voices they hear from those who\'ve passed this way before them.
Quotei doubt anyone gives a shit that ronald died.....especially the ones that suffered in the 80\'s becuase of that fuck.....well..your too young to understand chris....
On the contrary, I believe
You\'re they only one who doesn\'t give a "shit" about him...
...weiner.
Machete, we do try not to call people names on this forum. If one feels compelled to call someone a name the least one can do is spell it correctly.
I think however, if you read any of the links attached, or try searching out something besides mainstream pablum fobbed off as news you will see that a great number of people either couldn\'t give a shit or are pleased he\'s gone. Many feel that rather than a sense of loss there is a sense of pleasure that if one believes in God, Ronny now has some s\'plainin\' to do.
Dear Grrrrr in my Childhood Carter was President for a bout a Year then Reagan for Eight then Bush for Four and so on but I always thought Tom Brocall (spelling???) was The President cause He was always on TV, I\'m sad Ray Charles Died. and also Sad I caused quite a Hubbub on this Site I will not write about Politics here anymore...
Chris
no reason not to write what you want Chris, none at all. differing opinions are good to hear and healthy to explore, it\'s how we learn.
oh, and his name is Tom Brokaw. he\'s retiring this year. he might have been an ok president, who knows? Walter Cronkite would have been a good one, but he\'s too smart to even want the job.
I understand the hate people have for Reagan. A lot of bad things happened both in the US and abroad due to some poor decisions on his part.
What I can\'t tolerate is people coming down on Nancy at a time like this. She lost her husband. And she really stood by him the last few years while he was really ill. Must have been hard on her.
Yes I\'m a Californian, the Planet not State and come from a very hush hush up bringing but the things said here still erks me I Don\'t know who Robert Quine was, Sorry for adding fuel to some peoples fire, but heres the run down Im a Buckethead fan who plays Guitar and Ukulele,Loves the Written word but I have NOT read everything and if I did I would be VERY boring thanks for sticking up for me in this website Machete and gkg this kind of stuff is what (my guess) terminated my Frohike2 name with Binge and Grab, for asking really stupid things, this year I caved in to buy rabbit ears for my TV and have watched lots more TV then say Movies, But this Internet is somthing else.
OK I\'m done with my Rantin and Ravin "you may fire when ready". General Tarkin; Star Wars A New Hope
Chris
no such thing as as stupid questions - only stupid things are to not ask, or upon asking, to not consider the answers given.
FYI - well read men are very sexy, not boring. in the end, the brain is where it ALL happens. feed it, build its muscles.
;D ah will Do
Chris
QuoteMachete, we do try not to call people names on this forum. If one feels compelled to call someone a name the least one can do is spell it correctly.
He deserved it.
i disagree. while we do go off on tangents, and we naturally have many differing opinions, we try not to make personal attacks against each other. it\'s rude and unproductive.
if you want to counter someone\'s position, present a fact to support your side, don\'t just toss out misspelled taunts. that reflects more poorly on you than on the person you\'re disagreeing with. the last thing you want is to wind up looking an ass.
uh, who cares about the spelling? this could\'ve been a decent and educative discussion if there was some mutual respect and listening (still could be if anyone has some thoughts still to share)...
spelling is my own stupid peccadillo - long story. there\'s a major difference to me between sloppy and not knowing. if you\'re ripping someone a new one - think about the how and why, rather than just sloppily tossing some garbage their way.
i agree about the room for discussion - this is vitally important in the current social climate - election year or not.
there is a wealth of information available on the 12 years of reagan & bush1 that drove our country into the moral morass we can\'t seem to pull ourselves free from. take a look at what the baptist groups are doing now if you want to see how far reaching those years were - a 100 year bond has been broken because the founding group doesn\'t think the world organization they helped form is conservative enough.
i sincerely hope everyone is going to go see "Fahrenheit 9/11." if you\'re sure it\'s bullshit, go see it to find out for yourself. you will undoubtably learn something, even if you already do agree with what you\'ve heard.
[glb]On the hysteria surrounding Reagan\'s death:[/glb]
"There was something similar after the JFK assassination, but of course the assassination of a living president is quite different. I don\'t recall anything else remotely similar, perhaps since FDR, in the midst of a war, and of course he really was a significant figure, whatever one\'s judgment of him. Reagan is another story: mostly a PR creation in the first place, and massively so in recent years.
During his years in office, Reagan was not particularly popular. Gallup just published poll figures comparing him during office with other presidents. His average ratings during his years in office were below Kennedy, Johnson, Bush I, and Clinton; above Nixon, Ford, Carter. This is averages during their terms in office. By 1992 he was ranked just next to Nixon as the most unpopular living ex-president. Since then there has been an immense PR campaign to convert him into a revered and historic figure, if not semi-divine, and it\'s doubtless had an effect..."
- Noam Chomsky
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As far as "Fahrenheit 911" goes, it looks very promising. Caution though: Moore will most likely distort a few things to make the movie funnier. Thus the conservatives and democrats will attack these distortions to discredit him. However, the main points, such as Bush\'s financial ties to the Bin Laden family, will withstand such attacks and serve as a wake-up call to many...
fandangoed a pair of tix as soon as they came up - really looking forward to it.
i\'m told moore doesn\'t play around as much on this one -that it\'s really pretty straightforward - which is a good idea.
every politician and i suspect most people are PR creations of some sort, to one degree or another, even if only in their own minds. we all have things we prefer people to know/not know about ourselves... an image we prefer to project. the line most of us don\'t cross is the creation of an entirely false persona.
the scariest thing to me about reagan is i don\'t know that there was anything at all behind the projection - i think he brainwashed his own damn self. or maybe the nation did it for him.
just gotta get out of the mess we\'re in now... start trying to mend the global fences, stop the hemorrhage of blood on foriegn soil. ours and theirs.