Travis Dickerson Recording Studio Forum

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i prefer to wait until the regular edition. making so many batches doesnt seem like it being a limited edition at all.

Agree. How can it be limited edition if it keeps getting re-released everytime it runs out of stock?!!

QuoteOK, a  wide range of opinions. Yes, the idea is to make available music that is out of print to those that missed the initial release and would still like to support the artist. I am going to try to do everything I can to prevent CD\'s from going out of print in the first place by some resource allocation. However, we have a number of CD\'s where that is too late. The pre-sale solution is a problem because the long wait and the fact that the repress is mostly not recouped and least for a few years. Remember there are too kinds out out of stock music, those we pressed for sale here and those like Population Override that were pressed by ION records and we offered for sale. Those are still available from ION and are not out of print. I will try to make them available here when I can. Right now I\'m talking about CD\'s like Peppers and Shadows.

It sounds like having the original printed cover and tray card are the most important to most people. Offering the original art and a CDR might be the most practical sort term solution. Sales of those could go toward a repress of the disc and that could be offered at a discount as an option when it becomes available. Right now I\'m just asking for your feedback to see what thoughts are about this. I haven\'t made a decision yet.

About CDRs. Digital audio is contained in files. Most  know MP3 and Wave files. Wave files can be a number of different bit depths and sample rates. CD\'s use a file format call the Red Book standard, always 16 bit 44.1k sample rate. All CDs and CDR\'s use the Redbook Standard.  CDR\'s can be burned with many different files system for data and movies and music. But an audio CD uses the Redbook spec and is exactly the same as a regular CD as far as the information on it goes.

The difference between a regular CD and a CDR is the regular CD is manufactured with the audio data on it. Digital audio is just a series of ones and zeros. The regular CD starts out as a thin disc of aluminum that is stamped with a series of pits. It look a bit like a cheese grater. Then plastic is injection moulded around the metal. When you put the disc in a player a laser scans the disc, it sees a pit, that = one, no pit = zero and the converter un-encodes the ones and zeros into music.

The CDR starts out as a plastic disc with a dye layer imbedded in it. When you burn the disc, the laser burns a series of pits into the dye. When you put it into a player the laser reads the pit, no pit.

CDr are less robust then CDs because instead of permanent pits in metal, the pits are in a photo sensitive dye emulsion.
They can fade with time. Also depending on the type of CDR dye, green, blue, silver and so on burners are optimized for one type or another so the pit depth vary from brand to brand. Some players are better at reading one brand from another. If you have trouble playing a CD in a particular player, you can burn another copy using a different brand disc and it will probably play.

A lot of the Limited Editions we sell here are on CDRs. CDR burners and players have gotten really good over the last few years and we have very few problems with customers. When they do have a problem, I tell them to burn it on another brand disc or I will do it for them and that\'s always solved the problem. It\'s always a good idea to back up CDR\'s and if something happens you can just burn another one. At 20 cents each it\'s  a bargain.

I not going on about CDRs to defend them, the fact is both types of CD\'s will become obsolete not too long from now. But CDRs may be a good option where just a few copies of a disc are needed.


One last point. All the music we sell here is easily downloaded for free all over the internet. In fact 95 percent of all the people who listen to our music do just that. We rely on the good will of those that understand the value of music they love. Without their support, there is no way we can continue to make music, at least not with the amount of time and energy that is brought to it now. The art of record making will give way to the hobby of laptop users and concert recorders.

Good news that the re-release will not be simply CDR versions of the original CD\'s as that wouldn\'t be what I would like.

I for one am willing to increase the amount I would pay to justify a repressing. For example - we keep talking about both Peppers and Shadows, well if they were originally sold at $15 then I would happily pay $25 for a copy of the repressed CD if it was identical to the original release, in that way you would need less pre-orders to cover the cost of the repressing.

I for one can\'t wait for the re-pressing as Shadows seemed to sell out stupidly fast and it is the one Bucket CD I don\'t own, and although eBay is a last resort it seems stupid not to pay direct to Bucket and TDRS.

This is one for collectors onlt. And frankly, given that (correct me if I am wrong) the majority of the artists on this CD knew nothing about it and won\'t therefore get paid from it just seems wrong. And if it is that good why is the release limited to only 500 copies, and why does it cost $30?!

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great

long overdue as well

 

I for one would certainly support a release of Shadows Between The Sky. I was away from home for 6 months when that one was released and therefore wasn\'t able to buy a copy. It is one of the few outstanding for me and like a few others above would rather not go to eBay.

Cheers!!

thanks for the advice... off to check that now!

Hey all first post!

I also need this CD! One of the few I don\'t have. Any news on a re-print?